Don't fix the problem just change the parameters
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You can't just make stuff up and then say "it's just a description". It looks like you just remembered precession of the equinoxes wrong and doubled down once somebody called you out on it?
If it's a description of something, what does "progression of the equinoxes" describe? Astronomically it's complete gibberish, so I'm not sure what it's describing.
Update: regarding your edit
"The progression of time towards the equinoxes"
This sentence makes no sense. How can time itself progress towards equinoxes, which are points in time?
wrote last edited by [email protected]The significance of the equinox in premodern calendar systems is pretty well established - stonehenge is an easy example of how it was taken into consideration, and was used to mark out significant dates.
How can time itself progress towards equinoxes, which are points in time?
I think you might be overthinking what I said. To answer your question: One day comes after another day. Eventually, on one of those days the arrangement of celestial bodies we call the equinox will happen. From wikipedia:
An equinox is equivalently defined as the time when the plane of Earth's equator passes through the geometric center of the Sun's disk.
We'll reach that arrangement again as time progresses. The progression of time, will bring us towards the point in which that arrangement occurs. If you would prefer, "progression towards the equinoxes" is a slightly less florid way of expressing the same concept.
(edit: posted prematurely, thanks cat. Finished my sentence, reworded something to sound less confrontational as that was not my intention)
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wait analog is outdated?? what do you mean?? What else do people wear on their wrist?? some dystopian world your living in
Dated, not outdated. Or do I totally have the meaning of the word wrong?
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I also wonder: what’s the goal of teaching this? Sure, a cursory lesson is a good idea, but making it a fundamental step seems nonsensical in a world that doesn’t require it at all. It’s like teaching how to sharpen a quill, it’s not needed anymore
Of course it's still needed. There still exist analog clocks almost everywhere. (At least in my country)
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The significance of the equinox in premodern calendar systems is pretty well established - stonehenge is an easy example of how it was taken into consideration, and was used to mark out significant dates.
How can time itself progress towards equinoxes, which are points in time?
I think you might be overthinking what I said. To answer your question: One day comes after another day. Eventually, on one of those days the arrangement of celestial bodies we call the equinox will happen. From wikipedia:
An equinox is equivalently defined as the time when the plane of Earth's equator passes through the geometric center of the Sun's disk.
We'll reach that arrangement again as time progresses. The progression of time, will bring us towards the point in which that arrangement occurs. If you would prefer, "progression towards the equinoxes" is a slightly less florid way of expressing the same concept.
(edit: posted prematurely, thanks cat. Finished my sentence, reworded something to sound less confrontational as that was not my intention)
wrote last edited by [email protected]But calling the fact that time passed and we will reach another equinox at some point is like saying that "progression of time towards 5:43 pm" is a thing just because time always tends towards 5:43 and once we pass it, we use the next 5:43 as a target.
I develop calendar systems in my spare time and you should take a look at the leap year rule of SAC13, it takes the precession of the equinoxes into account.
The things you just said are just words thrown together - and again - just because you can't admit that you heard precession of the equinoxes in the past and misremembered it.
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I feel like I'm going insane reading these comments about how difficult it is to read analog clocks,
Some of these comments are made by lazy idiots arguing that there is nothing wrong with being lazy idiot.
I don’t understand how you could possibly classify looking at a clock as lazy.
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I feel like I'm going insane reading these comments about how difficult it is to read analog clocks, how it needs too much understanding of maths, how it takes too long,...
Can someone please confirm: you just look, for a fraction of a second, at the clock face and know the time, right?
Learning to read the clock was like... A couple of lessons and some homework in the 2nd grade, and everyone got it.
I don’t know, I’ve never particularly liked analogue clocks. I don’t think I ever thought of them as difficult to read, but it’s far superior to look at an exact number like digital usually features.
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I don’t know, I’ve never particularly liked analogue clocks. I don’t think I ever thought of them as difficult to read, but it’s far superior to look at an exact number like digital usually features.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Disagree - it rarely matters to me if it's 13:24:56 or 13:25:05, but I do find the instant and intuitive gauging of time deltas super useful (as in, how long it's going to be to the full hour / to quarter past / ... ). Not saying you can't get that info from a digital clock as well, of course you can; but the physicality of analog clocks lends a good bit of intuition to this, I feel.
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But calling the fact that time passed and we will reach another equinox at some point is like saying that "progression of time towards 5:43 pm" is a thing just because time always tends towards 5:43 and once we pass it, we use the next 5:43 as a target.
I develop calendar systems in my spare time and you should take a look at the leap year rule of SAC13, it takes the precession of the equinoxes into account.
The things you just said are just words thrown together - and again - just because you can't admit that you heard precession of the equinoxes in the past and misremembered it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]is a thing just because time always tends towards 5:43 and one we pass it, we use the next 5:43 as a target.
Yes exactly, which is why I said you may be overthinking it when you were trying to interpret it as anything more than this. The Equinox were a critical time for the calibration of sundials, hence why I chose them.
just because you can’t admit that you heard precession of the equinoxes in the past and misremembered it.
But, why? It would have been perfectly valid to bring up in the original context - you yourself brought up the complicating factor of minor celestial events in it's applicability to the subject - and "progression towards the equinox" is a fine-if-slightly-florid way to describe the passage of time towards a significant event. There's no reason for me to have done this.
(edit: this time I just forgot to finish my sentence. No cat involved)
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Disagree - it rarely matters to me if it's 13:24:56 or 13:25:05, but I do find the instant and intuitive gauging of time deltas super useful (as in, how long it's going to be to the full hour / to quarter past / ... ). Not saying you can't get that info from a digital clock as well, of course you can; but the physicality of analog clocks lends a good bit of intuition to this, I feel.
That does make sense.
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"Old technology" like, hammers, spoons and books
Let's get rid of the wheel. That crap was invented ages ago.Update: and if you can't read a sun dial - which by the way is just reading the number the freaking shadow points at - the US should seriously consider teaching stuff like that again.
Such a shame that so few people know how to ride a horse these days. You still see them across the countryside and in many cities, but most people choose not to learn.
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I don’t understand how you could possibly classify looking at a clock as lazy.
Read again.
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Read again.
I just don’t see what any of this has to do with laziness.
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The less educated a populous is, the less likely they are to think critically, think for themselves, and ultimately the easier they are to control.
It's getting really bad. Some people even use "populous" when they mean "populace."
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To the title, that's always been the case.
"no child left behind" turned into "make it easier until everyone passes"
Shit isn't new. it's been going on for a long, long ass time.Do the blackboards in the US also say "breathe in, breathe out, repeat" so that half the class doesn't just die?
No that's silly, there's no guarantee that they could read that.
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Disagree - it rarely matters to me if it's 13:24:56 or 13:25:05, but I do find the instant and intuitive gauging of time deltas super useful (as in, how long it's going to be to the full hour / to quarter past / ... ). Not saying you can't get that info from a digital clock as well, of course you can; but the physicality of analog clocks lends a good bit of intuition to this, I feel.
I get that, but I personally find that I often do care about the exact time, down to the minutes, and that's harder to track with an analogue clock. I don't have particular problems in reading them, I just often prefer digital clocks.
But I will agree that I feel analogue clocks give a better vibe of the time, since its basically a pie chart of how far you are in the day.
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Kids don’t know cursive either. Nobody needs it anymore.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I feel that learning cursive is important.
First you learn how to write ordinary letters. That trains your fine motor skills so you can write them reliably (try writing with your non-dominant yourself hand to see).
What cursive teaches you is how to write quickly. Of course, no one will write in pure, perfect cursive. Most people settle for a style somewhere in between. It teaches you the concept of "you can combine letters together to make you write faster" and "here are a bunch of ways to combine them". It's a good thing, Especially if they end up going to college.
Giving them a few more weeks of practice in reading and writing is a great way to avoid them being partially illiterate.
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I feel like I'm going insane reading these comments about how difficult it is to read analog clocks, how it needs too much understanding of maths, how it takes too long,...
Can someone please confirm: you just look, for a fraction of a second, at the clock face and know the time, right?
Learning to read the clock was like... A couple of lessons and some homework in the 2nd grade, and everyone got it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I'm 35. Math major. Work in STEM. Well educated.
I hate analogue clocks. Why use subpar way of reading time if digital is so much better?
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I just don’t see what any of this has to do with laziness.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You don't see how people too lazy to understand the clock are too lazy?
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Students with dyslexia do get special treatment. There is no reason to discriminate against people lacking an unrelated skill and it's not funny to demand it so we at least agree on something
wrote last edited by [email protected]I agree.
That being said, there's a difference between having a disability and just not having had enough practice.
Just having an analogue clock in all rooms and halls of a school is a way to give people the opportunity to get the practice.
In higher grades you can have an analogue clock in front and a digital "cheat" one in the back. If they're not sure, they can glance at that. And if that cheat clock is only in every other room. Most will learn because it's easier that way.
When reading the clock comes as a topic of the curriculum in 1st or 2nd grade, having the teacher ask a student to read the time periodically from the classroom clock for a few months will make sure everyone has had at least some opportunities to practice.
Of course, if someone does have a problem bordering on disability, accomodate them. Regardless of whether their parents took the time and money to have it diagnosed or not. But a quarter of a class having it is either bad luck or just bad methodology.
Edit: all this applies to elementary school.
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I'm 35. Math major. Work in STEM. Well educated.
I hate analogue clocks. Why use subpar way of reading time if digital is so much better?
Because it's not! Glad to help you clear that up.
