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We don't talk about IPv5

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  • K [email protected]

    it's not a browser extension, its a SLAAC thing https://www.internetsociety.org/resources/deploy360/2014/privacy-extensions-for-ipv6-slaac.

    TL;DR is that SLAAC used to use part of your device MAC to form it's IP, which would be trackable/fingerprintable. Now devices just pick the last 48-bits at complete random on the assumption that no other device is going to have that specific address out of the 4 quintilion available addresses.

    edit the RFC https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4941

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    Thanks, might have to try that sometime.

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      An ipv6 address turns my brains thinking center off. Short circuit at how fucking stupid it looks.

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        The reason IPv6 was originally added to the DOCSIS specs, over 20 years ago, is because Comcast literally exhausted all RFC1918 addresses on their modem management networks.

        My favourite feature of IPv6 is networks, and hosts therein, can have multiple prefixes and addresses as a core function. I use it to expose local functions on only ULA addresses, but provide locked down public access when and where needed. Access separation is handled at the IP stack, with IPv4 it’s expected to be handled by a firewall or equivalent.

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        • socsa@piefed.socialS [email protected]

          Meh, the idea of having every address be globally routable makes a lot of sense. NAT is a great bandaid but it's still a bandaid. It still limits how peer to peer and multicast applications function, especially on larger networks.

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          NAT444 is shit. I can't even host a web server without routing it through a VPN, and my ISP can't work out how to provide an IPv6 addresses yet. Give it to me and I will work out how to use it.

          Slight update - Just looked and apparently they had a goal of rolling out IPv6 addresses to all customers by earlier this year. I'll check my router config tomorrow and who knows. Maybe I will be able to get one now? Would be pretty sweet.

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            The reason IPv6 was originally added to the DOCSIS specs, over 20 years ago, is because Comcast literally exhausted all RFC1918 addresses on their modem management networks.

            My favourite feature of IPv6 is networks, and hosts therein, can have multiple prefixes and addresses as a core function. I use it to expose local functions on only ULA addresses, but provide locked down public access when and where needed. Access separation is handled at the IP stack, with IPv4 it’s expected to be handled by a firewall or equivalent.

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            I understand some of these words!

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            • T [email protected]

              I think NAT is one reason why the internet is so centralized. If everyone had a static IP you could do all sorts of decentralized cool stuff.

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              Which is why IPv6 was created. Everything used to get a public routable IP. Large company’s such as ATT and IBM got a whole /8 to themselves. NAT made it so we did not run out of IP’s in the 2000’s

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                Hi I have no idea what I’m doing when it comes to networking. I have ipv6 off on my home network because I was scared of accidentally exposing things outside of my home network. I’m using Ubiquiti. Can someone give me/link me a crash course on how to setup ipv6 without introducing any security holes into my network? Maybe also a crash course in firewalls.

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                • P [email protected]

                  I wrote and ipv6 parser once.

                  Never again.

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                  As in a regex or ..?

                  An ipv4 parser would also be sorta difficult.

                  you have to account for the fact that all the octets can be added to decimal: http://2130706433 (valid 127.0.0.1)

                  or the fact that octets can be in different formats: http://0x7F.0x0.0x0.0x1 (127.0.0.1)

                  or the fact that you can mix octet formats: http://0xC0.0250.0.1 (192.168.0.1)

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                    Is this IPv5?

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                      The reason IPv6 was originally added to the DOCSIS specs, over 20 years ago, is because Comcast literally exhausted all RFC1918 addresses on their modem management networks.

                      My favourite feature of IPv6 is networks, and hosts therein, can have multiple prefixes and addresses as a core function. I use it to expose local functions on only ULA addresses, but provide locked down public access when and where needed. Access separation is handled at the IP stack, with IPv4 it’s expected to be handled by a firewall or equivalent.

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                      My favorite feature of IPv6 is that there are so many addresses available. Every single IPv4 address right now could have its own entire IPv4 range of addresses in IPv6. It's mind-boggling huge.

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                        I love the flat earther energy in this

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                        • xylight@lemdro.idX [email protected]

                          As in a regex or ..?

                          An ipv4 parser would also be sorta difficult.

                          you have to account for the fact that all the octets can be added to decimal: http://2130706433 (valid 127.0.0.1)

                          or the fact that octets can be in different formats: http://0x7F.0x0.0x0.0x1 (127.0.0.1)

                          or the fact that you can mix octet formats: http://0xC0.0250.0.1 (192.168.0.1)

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                          Yeah a mix of regex and heuristics to validate before parsing

                          It was a long time ago now

                          It also had to parse ipv4 because they can be embedded (IIRC) and the different octet formats

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                            Surely we can do better. Why not IPv10? That's 4 higher than 6!

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                              Is this IPv5?

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                              Fun fact: IP version 5 is actually reserved for the Internet Streaming Protocol.

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                              • D [email protected]

                                My favorite thing to use IPv6 for is to use the privacy extension to get around IP blocks on YouTube when using alternative front ends. Blocked by Google on my laptop? No problem, let me just get another one of my 4,722,366,482,869,645,213,696 IP addresses.

                                I have a separate subnet which is IPv6 only and rotates through IP addresses every hour or so just for Indivious, Freetube and PipePipe.

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                                This is exactly why ipv6 was never widely adopted. There's too much power in a limited IP pool.

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                                  I see your satirical IPv6 meme and raise you the highest quality IPv6 evangelism you'll ever see.

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                                  • F [email protected]

                                    That's nothing that can't be done with a good set of firewalls on IPv6.

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                                    Good luck trying to find industrial stuff that supports IPv6, hell most of it is still serial.

                                    I have legit heard that serial is security mechanism because it cannot communicate long distance like ethernet.

                                    Of course you can do IPv6 magic that hides IPv6 from the end device, but nobody understands how that magic works.

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                                    • sudo@lemmy.todayS [email protected]

                                      Was?

                                      It's still in progress..

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                                      I'm fully transitioned. The first step was getting an Internet provider that featured it. I had to change providers for that. Then I had to find equipment that worked. Some of the things that have an early implementation of IPv6 don't actually work. It's like they never actually tested it. Then I had to integrate IPv6 in the way everything worked. I'm a big user of unique local adresses, which I feel isn't a really well known feature.

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                                      • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

                                        Surely we can do better. Why not IPv10? That's 4 higher than 6!

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                                        not sure if you're aware thats a real thing https://www.ipv10.net/

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                                        • B [email protected]

                                          My favorite feature of IPv6 is that there are so many addresses available. Every single IPv4 address right now could have its own entire IPv4 range of addresses in IPv6. It's mind-boggling huge.

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                                          you could assign every square meter of the planet an ip and use it for location, and still have addresses left over

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