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  • O [email protected]

    It's not like they're more of an insane surreal shit show of delusional authoritarianism.

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    No, they definitely are.

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      No, they definitely are.

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      Oh theyre definitely a lot of that, but im not so sure about more. America's done a pretty good job closing the gap.

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        We need to go back to gopher or one of those newer simple protocols. It's just too complex to implement HTML / CSS / JavaScript and all the other stuff correctly from scratch.

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        I'd some plans to write my own e-pub reader, since all the existing ones are shite in their own way, but since e-pub files are secretly xhtml and css in disguise, it's actually a hell of a job, much bigger than I'd anticipated.

        I don't think making network requests for files nor parsing any of those formats is so difficult, and while the actual layout rules interact in a complicated way they're not insurmountable. However, doing it securely and in a way that runs at an acceptable speed is much harder. Tokenizing JS and interpreting it isn't so bad, but that's not going to run a modern website with tens of thousands of lines of scripts. Displaying video with hardware acceleration? Best bust out some code.

        Moving to another protocol will either need the cooperation of everyone everywhere all at once, or since that'll never happen, alternatively convincing all the major browser manufacturers to support both for a while so that other companies can enter the market, which will also never happen. Going to be a tough sell.

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          But Why?

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          • k0mprssd@lemmy.zipK [email protected]

            somehow, some people can use the net without an adblocker. i have no idea how, but they're out there.

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            Bunch of freaks

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            • burgerbaron@piefed.socialB [email protected]

              Google sucks, uninstall Chromium stuff

              Mozilla starts sucking and is also American, move to Librewolf fork as a half measure, it sucks.

              Just wait for Ladybird bro

              It's also American

              Why can't Europeans into web engine dev?

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              How does Librewolf suck?

              And Servo is hosted by the Linux Foundation Europe btw.

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                What's wrong with Librewolf? I'm currently using Firefox and thinking about switching.

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                Give it a go and let us know what you think! I used it for a while, and the biggest annoyance was trying to use YouTube with it where videos increasingly were more difficult to load for some reason. I blame Google for that, honestly.

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                  Could always try floorp as another half measure

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                  That's where I am currently.. just really wish there was something truly separate from all the bs

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                  • k0mprssd@lemmy.zipK [email protected]

                    somehow, some people can use the net without an adblocker. i have no idea how, but they're out there.

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                    And I'm grateful for these people. If everyone was using adblockers then companies like Google and advertisers would try even harder to break adblockers so it's best if some amount of the population continues to browse without adblockers so I can get ad free access to the internet

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                    • G [email protected]

                      Didn't make Chrome Adblockers unusable a while ago? Are 90% of the people now using chrome with ads??

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                      I see it all the time at work: all the boomers rawdogging the web on Edge, like the company IT department intended.

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                        I need chrome for work. And only ever use it for work. Because work sucks like that.

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                        • R [email protected]

                          Fewer calories!

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                          it's really a lifesaver for us lactose intolerant folk. regular uBo gives me gas.

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                            I see it all the time at work: all the boomers rawdogging the web on Edge, like the company IT department intended.

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                            You can still get uBlock Origin for Edge.

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                              You can still get uBlock Origin for Edge.

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                              Not on the company managed installs. They only allow a couple of plugins. Not that my colleagues would know what they're missing.

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                              • addie@feddit.ukA [email protected]

                                I'd some plans to write my own e-pub reader, since all the existing ones are shite in their own way, but since e-pub files are secretly xhtml and css in disguise, it's actually a hell of a job, much bigger than I'd anticipated.

                                I don't think making network requests for files nor parsing any of those formats is so difficult, and while the actual layout rules interact in a complicated way they're not insurmountable. However, doing it securely and in a way that runs at an acceptable speed is much harder. Tokenizing JS and interpreting it isn't so bad, but that's not going to run a modern website with tens of thousands of lines of scripts. Displaying video with hardware acceleration? Best bust out some code.

                                Moving to another protocol will either need the cooperation of everyone everywhere all at once, or since that'll never happen, alternatively convincing all the major browser manufacturers to support both for a while so that other companies can enter the market, which will also never happen. Going to be a tough sell.

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                                You're correct but besides implementation effort I personally think the web has become too "free" or "rich".

                                I don't actually like that every website has a slightly or sometimes completely different layout, design philosophy, tech stack etc. Often this freedom is just used to display ads everywhere, track users or to look "on brand" but it's difficult to find the actual content (as user, but also if you want to find it programmatically). With web assembly it's become even more opaque. It's also pretty difficult to do anything dynamic (not a static website) in a secure way. Most of the common frameworks and CMS have a ton of dependencies and almost every one of them can impact safety in a negative way.

                                Not that I want to get rid of it completely. There are certainly a lot of websites that make good use of the freedom to create a unique and worthwhile experience but for a very very large part of the web (company information, blogs, wikis, forums etc) I'd prefer something much more simple that's more straight to the point.

                                E.g. personally I was super sad that the usenet died and thought (especially at the beginning) that web forums where a big downgrade. Same with early web chats compared with IRC.

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                                • deflated0ne@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                  I need chrome for work. And only ever use it for work. Because work sucks like that.

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                                  My work requires edge 🤮

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                                    My work requires edge 🤮

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                                    Condolences friend.

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                                      And I'm grateful for these people. If everyone was using adblockers then companies like Google and advertisers would try even harder to break adblockers so it's best if some amount of the population continues to browse without adblockers so I can get ad free access to the internet

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                                      This is my favorite take on this site. Thank you.

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                                      • burgerbaron@piefed.socialB [email protected]

                                        It's fine for now it's just beholden to upstream which isn't in a good state, not actually independent. I'm certainly being hyperbolic.

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                                        Yes that's fair, wish there was a truly independent browser available.

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                                          And I'm grateful for these people. If everyone was using adblockers then companies like Google and advertisers would try even harder to break adblockers so it's best if some amount of the population continues to browse without adblockers so I can get ad free access to the internet

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                                          It’s naive to think they’re not trying as hard as they can. Companies are not allowed to stop going for more, if 99% of all users didn’t block ads, they’d go just as hard after the 1% that did.

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