Can't have nice things
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Yeah I really don't get it.
I drive an old pickup truck with a standard sized bed. Every time I've needed the bed of the truck, I've needed it to be as big as it is. If it was as short as modern truck beds I'd be making more trips or hiring a U-Haul or something.
I get a normal, functional bed AND it's still a normally sized vehicle that's easy to drive and park. When this vehicle eats shit, whoever makes a normal sized pickup is getting my money.
I'd be pissed if I bought a pickup that can't fit a damn couch
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Rolling up north with a sedan that has kayaks on top and two bikes on the back and filled with camping gear sucks.
And no, where I go you can’t rent and the places you can rent are expensive and not set up for fishing. You keep pretending renting this stuff is cheap and convenient. It is not.
“Ope want to go scumbag launch my small boat off the riverbank better spend an hour securing a truck at Home Depot.” Yeah no
So you admit you need a truck out of convience and not necessity.
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So you admit you need a truck out of convience and not necessity.
Yeah no shit. Everything but subsistence farming and eating gruel is a convenience. You’re not making a good case for your argument if you’re listing convenience as a con. Try again.
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I loved the Ford Mazda connection. I wish Ford hadn't sold off their stake in the company. My current car is a Mazda 3 and the (Mazda designed) 4-cylinder in it was also used in later model Rangers before they were discontinued.
I had a 98 Ford Probe with a Mazda four cylinder engine. I loved that car. The flip up headlights never failed me even in Minnesota winter ice storms.
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When this vehicle eats shit, whoever makes a normal sized pickup is getting my money.
So... either you'll be buying used or not a truck.
Chevy still makes a regular cab, 8' bed version of the Silverado in the entry-level "WT" (work truck) trim, which at least theoretically is available to non-fleet buyers. Good luck finding one though.
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Telo is also struggling to get to market and will be a much better choice than Slate if they make it. They’re not nearly as well funded though.
I'm not sure I would say that they're struggling, though correct me if I'm wrong. They're a very young company with a very small headcount that's gotten a pretty incredible amount of work done in a short time.
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Yeah no shit. Everything but subsistence farming and eating gruel is a convenience. You’re not making a good case for your argument if you’re listing convenience as a con. Try again.
Mmm gruel. Come on bro your telling me it's necessary for you to live kayaking in upper Michigan? Some people want to haul kids to soccer in a truck some people haul their cute plastic kayaks and overpriced carbon fiber bicycles I'm not here to judge. You probably bring fudge home don't you?
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Mmm gruel. Come on bro your telling me it's necessary for you to live kayaking in upper Michigan? Some people want to haul kids to soccer in a truck some people haul their cute plastic kayaks and overpriced carbon fiber bicycles I'm not here to judge. You probably bring fudge home don't you?
We all can’t just be do nothing basement dwellers like yourself. With that lifestyle I can see how you would be bitter about people having a good time outdoors.
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You can feel any way you like. That is your irrevocable right. I have neither the ability nor desire to deprive you or anyone else of it.
However if you drive a big truck with a tiny bed, you are a silly little man!
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I can see how 2 can be gamed by car makers, but I don't know how I would fix it. Seems intuitive larger cars will use more fuel, e.g. can't use the same standards on 18 wheelers and sedans.
Are there good alternatives? Is my intuition dead wrong
The issue is they used to base it on vehicle classification AND size, but the manufacturers just classified everything as a light truck to getbaround hlthe regulations. So they got rid of that loophole, but now a Toyota Corolla has less-strict fuel economy standards than an old-style Ford Ranger. So they essentially outlawed small trucks.
It's not just trucks, either. The small cargo van no longer exists. The Ford Transit Connect, Ram Promaster City, and Nissan NV200 were all discontinued around 2021 because they can no longer meet CAFE regulations at that size.
The Gord Maverick is a small truck, but it comes standard as a hybrid and has very little towing or hauling capacity as a result.
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98 Ranger XLT extended cab. I've added trailer brake control for livestock hauling and a modern stereo with bluetooth, handsfree calling, and a sealed 10" sub cause I'm a metalhead.
It's got the pushrod V6 that will last forever, in 99 they switched over to those awful self-destructing cassette timed V6s.
It throws no codes. Redid intake manifold and valve gaskets about 18 months ago, but I've got increased Idle RPM and minor oil leak again. So, I have to redo it, looking for a more permanent fix.
My truck does 10x the work most of those oversized pavement princess trucks do. It's a little truck for our little play farm.
that's one sexy looking truck! practical and it has a nice color!
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In memory of my 95 extended cab
Ya. It makes sense this is what the majority of people in the US are buying.
The small car market only constitutes like 2% of the entire market.
The other 98% are suvs and pick up trucks which means most people aren't buying a truck because they need it for work or some kind of utility reason. They don't need 8ft beds. They need back seats because they don't want to buy a sedan.
But since the customer is almost never right outside of matters of taste what they all really want is a sadan that looks like a pick up. So here we are.
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We all can’t just be do nothing basement dwellers like yourself. With that lifestyle I can see how you would be bitter about people having a good time outdoors.
Lol I see I have triggered you, flee I must back to the batcave I just have to drive 8hrs away to visit my mom's basement because mine isn't good enough time to rent the home Depot truck again!
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Yeah I really don't get it.
I drive an old pickup truck with a standard sized bed. Every time I've needed the bed of the truck, I've needed it to be as big as it is. If it was as short as modern truck beds I'd be making more trips or hiring a U-Haul or something.
I get a normal, functional bed AND it's still a normally sized vehicle that's easy to drive and park. When this vehicle eats shit, whoever makes a normal sized pickup is getting my money.
I thought the bed size was chosen as standard so it would fit a standard 4x8 sheet of plywood. What's the point of it can't fit that?
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A “regular bed” has always been an 8ft bed for the last 60-odd years. Look at any full-sized Ford, GMC, AMC, or Chevrolet pickup from the 70s, 80s, or 90s -- it’s nearly impossible to find one with anything but an 8ft bed. If you wanted anything shorter you went with a “toy truck” like the Mazda B2000 to B2600i, or a Toyota Tacoma.
It’s just the utter lack of 8ft beds in full-sized modern (last 10-15 years) trucks that has had the industry reclassifying uselessly lobotomized truck beds as “regular” and normal-length beds as “extended”
They're projecting, as has always been the case for giant truck owners
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A “regular bed” has always been an 8ft bed for the last 60-odd years. Look at any full-sized Ford, GMC, AMC, or Chevrolet pickup from the 70s, 80s, or 90s -- it’s nearly impossible to find one with anything but an 8ft bed. If you wanted anything shorter you went with a “toy truck” like the Mazda B2000 to B2600i, or a Toyota Tacoma.
It’s just the utter lack of 8ft beds in full-sized modern (last 10-15 years) trucks that has had the industry reclassifying uselessly lobotomized truck beds as “regular” and normal-length beds as “extended”
What? The "regular bed" in a full-size truck was always 6.5', even back in the '90s and earlier. That is longer than the "regular bed" in a compact truck (let alone the vestigial bullshit they sell you today), but it's not 8'.
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Lol I see I have triggered you, flee I must back to the batcave I just have to drive 8hrs away to visit my mom's basement because mine isn't good enough time to rent the home Depot truck again!
Enjoy the hassle.
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A “regular bed” has always been an 8ft bed for the last 60-odd years. Look at any full-sized Ford, GMC, AMC, or Chevrolet pickup from the 70s, 80s, or 90s -- it’s nearly impossible to find one with anything but an 8ft bed. If you wanted anything shorter you went with a “toy truck” like the Mazda B2000 to B2600i, or a Toyota Tacoma.
It’s just the utter lack of 8ft beds in full-sized modern (last 10-15 years) trucks that has had the industry reclassifying uselessly lobotomized truck beds as “regular” and normal-length beds as “extended”
If you're going to downvote my objectively correct statement of fact, at least have the courtesy to answer this: if you think a "regular bed" on a 70s/80s/90s full-size pickup is 8', just how long do you think a "long bed" is?
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Ya. It makes sense this is what the majority of people in the US are buying.
The small car market only constitutes like 2% of the entire market.
The other 98% are suvs and pick up trucks which means most people aren't buying a truck because they need it for work or some kind of utility reason. They don't need 8ft beds. They need back seats because they don't want to buy a sedan.
But since the customer is almost never right outside of matters of taste what they all really want is a sadan that looks like a pick up. So here we are.
Trucks are third now I think. compact SUV's started taking over the market roughly last year
https://www.autoblog.com/news/study-says-these-four-segments-make-up-half-of-us-car-sales
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If you're going to downvote my objectively correct statement of fact, at least have the courtesy to answer this: if you think a "regular bed" on a 70s/80s/90s full-size pickup is 8', just how long do you think a "long bed" is?
wrote last edited by [email protected]if you think a "regular bed" on a 70s/80s/90s full-size pickup is 8', just how long do you think a "long bed" is?
It’s the 9ft bed you could get as an option on full-sized trucks above the base model. So for Ford, the F-150 was stuck with either the regular 8ft bed - which was the default - or could go down to a 6.5ft short bed, but for the F-250, F-350 and higher, you could go for a 9ft long bed.
In some model years, the F-250 & 350 even had its rear axle shifted further towards the rear by a few inches when choosing the long bed in order to get better balance for loads.
This 9ft long bed was even marketed as a “large camper bed” for those oversized slide-in campers that were too long to allow a standard 8ft bed to raise its tailgate. This was a problem with 8ft beds, because a permanently-lowered tailgate could obstruct the license plate, necessitating its removal so the plate was more visible. The long bed didn’t have this problem, and the tailgate could stay on.
