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Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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  • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

    Why is everyone reccommending linux mint all of a sudden? What happened to ubuntu and fedora?

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    Mint is ubuntu with the icky stuff removed and given an extra layer of polish. Still loving it here.

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      It does, but performance seems a lot laggier than Windows.

      I've been using Linux full time for a while now, and only recently installed Windows on a secondary drive, just for those two things.

      Before, on Linux, it was a bit of mixed bag.
      Sometimes it would start up without issue, other times sound wouldn't work, etc.

      Using corectl is a must, and make sure you have a stable steam install. (iirc the steam I installed didn't come with half of the 32 bit libs it was expecting).
      I'm rocking a 7900xtx, so it's not exactly low-end, and half-life alyx was giving me a lot of stutters.

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      I have quite a different experience, can't tell if it is placebo or not, but my vr experience is slightly smoother in Arch Linux compared to my Windows 10.

      i play VR via Proton using ALVR (steamvr) or Wivrn

      But i havent tried playing Alyx on linux yet

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        You can still skip it with MicroWin and also Rufus. I've tested it just recently.

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          Are Linux ports of games so hard to do? Genuine question. I am not a games dev.

          My personal opinion is that Windows is an easier target because all Windows machines are consistent in their underlying interface with the user's hardware. Same idea with MacOS. You know what display manager and graphics library to target, and what packaging format to target.

          Then, there's Linux, which can be one of any number of distributions with varying software stacks, packaging formats, etc. It's not that Linux gaming is radically difficult to support, it's just much less standardized. This makes it a lot more work for a much smaller demographic. The Vulkan graphics API has made some of the software issues much less of a problem, but you still have to contend with things like different display managers and stuff like packaging differences between distributions.

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          Makes sense.
          Would packaging like Flatpak or AppImage be an option? Or just make sure it runs with Wine? Probably all not that straightforward.

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            Blender at least has gotten to the point where an indie flick made with it actually won some Oscars and other big awards, so that pretty much put it on the map as a viable Maya or 3DSMax alternative, so there's that.

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            Yeah, Blender is one of the few points where it works. QGIS is the other.

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              Why the fuck is a Microsoft account so important to Windows that running it without one is considered a "loophole"?

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              Microsoft will sell it as a safety thing - your essential stuff is backed up to your Microsoft account, so in the event that your computer is compromised or damaged, you can wipe and start over with your important stuff restored from your Microsoft account.

              Which is not a bad idea in itself, but the rest of the data harvesting and telemetry makes it yuck. I use pihole to block access to Microsoft telemetry servers.

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              • cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.winC [email protected]

                Also, I will not be surprised if they audaciously disable Win 10 Home edition for security purposes once end of life is reached.

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                I've still got a windows XP computer that I fire up once in a while for the LOLs. it continues to remind me that support ended in 2014, but it keeps working.

                I also have a Windows 8.1 tablet that continues to work, and receive Windows Defender updates.

                They won't disable anything, stop spreading FUD, that's Microsoft's job.

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                  You can still skip it with MicroWin and also Rufus. I've tested it just recently.

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                  Did you try that with the latest beta build?

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                    It's not a big deal. They're removing the bypassnro.cmd script, which is just this:


                    @echo off
                    reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE /v BypassNRO /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
                    shutdown /r /t 0


                    You can still use shift-F10 at the same point, type those two lines (not the @ECHO OFF), and it will achieve the same result.

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                    Their intention is clear. I wonder for how long this workaround is going to stay.

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                      Ok, so this solidifies my desire to never buy a Windows PC/laptop and why my switch to Mac was a good choice a few years ago. However Mac gaming is nowhere near where it should be right now and I was thinking about getting a cheap Windows laptop for games that aren't available on Mac.

                      I remember a push a few years ago to get some linux distros pre-installed on some OEM hardware but I didn't hear much of anything past the hype. Anyone have any good OEM brands that have linux installed instead of Windows and are relatively affordable?

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                      It's funny that with how enclosed the Apple ecosystem is, even they don't force you to create an Apple account to use macOS.

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                      • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]
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                        Chiming in as well with a Linux distro: peppermint , debian based.
                        If you want the horrors to persist but kind of limited check out windows ameliorated

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                          Did you try that with the latest beta build?

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                          No with the latest ISO from windows 24H2 I believe

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                            Ahh so Mint is kept up to date like Ubuntu/Fedora and doesn't have all the telemetry and pop ups for Ubuntu Pro. Thank you!

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                            Ubuntu and Fedora have different “up-to-date”. Ubuntu is patching old code to work / feel modern and Fedora is updating as fast as possible to new Software.

                            I think Ubuntu is unnecessary doing double work, but I guess they have to, since they have drifted too far from upstream…

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                              It's not a big deal. They're removing the bypassnro.cmd script, which is just this:


                              @echo off
                              reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE /v BypassNRO /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
                              shutdown /r /t 0


                              You can still use shift-F10 at the same point, type those two lines (not the @ECHO OFF), and it will achieve the same result.

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                              Sure, but when are they going to remove that registry option?

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                                Makes sense.
                                Would packaging like Flatpak or AppImage be an option? Or just make sure it runs with Wine? Probably all not that straightforward.

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                                Making sure they run well with Wine is probably what many game devs are dong who specifically want to support Linux. Right now the vast majority of games run out of the box on Wine, so there probably isn't much a dev has to do if they want to make sure it runs great.

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                                  did you export your skype data?

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                                  I haven't ised Skype since Microsoft bought them.

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                                    Makes sense.
                                    Would packaging like Flatpak or AppImage be an option? Or just make sure it runs with Wine? Probably all not that straightforward.

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                                    I think the problem with packaging isn't so much that there aren't good options. Some people don't like Flatpak. Some people don't like snaps. Maybe AppImage would be a good option. But these are all choices that can potentially fragment the target demographic even further, which reduces the value returned for the time invested in supporting it. Just my opinion, certainly not an expert.

                                    Wine is a great solution for windows-only things. The great thing about gaming, though, is that many of them are using languages like C++ which have full support on Linux systems natively. If you then have your graphics running through Vulkan, that also works across platforms. So, in my opinion, Wine shouldn't be something we continue to need for gaming. Not saying Wine won't be used or won't continue to be useful for gaming, just that it doesn't have to be the primary path to support Linux.

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                                      It's not the fault of the creators of an operating system that Nvidia refuses to write comparable drivers. They're the only ones with the technical knowledge of the GPU's internals that is necessary to write a driver. Open-source Nouveau drivers exist but are less functional because of this, its programmers have to try to reverse-engineer and do a lot of guesswork and testing, and for free.

                                      Basically: If you value FOSS software at all, buy from manufacturers that are friendlier to FOSS software, or you may unknowingly lock yourself out of it.

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                                      Never said it was the fault of the creators, I love the idea of Linux and wish it was the mainstream desktop OS, then none of these issues would really exist. I only have issue with people pretending it's so simple to change to it from Windows, which is just almost never true.

                                      I have an Nvidia card because it was the best option for me at the time I bought it, Valve's Proton hadn't matured enough for Linux to even be considered for gaming at that time (other Linux quirks aside). As much as I support FOSS, I love playing a variety of games with friends and that just wasn't going to be feasible with Linux 5-6 years ago. I wasn't going to dual-boot when I would end up spending most of my time in Windows anyway and the rest of my time troubleshooting Linux.

                                      Now AMD has released a good card, Proton is really good and Linux has progressed further to where I can seriously consider it. With Windows 10 support ending, I am very likely to jump ship.

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                                        Tried Pop PS recently. Night and day difference.

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                                          So out of curiosity, why Mint over, say Debian? Has Debian added telemetry etc as well?

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                                          Mint had had a Debian version for some time

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