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Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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    Chiming in as well with a Linux distro: peppermint , debian based.
    If you want the horrors to persist but kind of limited check out windows ameliorated

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      Did you try that with the latest beta build?

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      No with the latest ISO from windows 24H2 I believe

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        Ahh so Mint is kept up to date like Ubuntu/Fedora and doesn't have all the telemetry and pop ups for Ubuntu Pro. Thank you!

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        Ubuntu and Fedora have different β€œup-to-date”. Ubuntu is patching old code to work / feel modern and Fedora is updating as fast as possible to new Software.

        I think Ubuntu is unnecessary doing double work, but I guess they have to, since they have drifted too far from upstream…

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          It's not a big deal. They're removing the bypassnro.cmd script, which is just this:


          @echo off
          reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE /v BypassNRO /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
          shutdown /r /t 0


          You can still use shift-F10 at the same point, type those two lines (not the @ECHO OFF), and it will achieve the same result.

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          Sure, but when are they going to remove that registry option?

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            Makes sense.
            Would packaging like Flatpak or AppImage be an option? Or just make sure it runs with Wine? Probably all not that straightforward.

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            Making sure they run well with Wine is probably what many game devs are dong who specifically want to support Linux. Right now the vast majority of games run out of the box on Wine, so there probably isn't much a dev has to do if they want to make sure it runs great.

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              did you export your skype data?

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              #155

              I haven't ised Skype since Microsoft bought them.

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                Makes sense.
                Would packaging like Flatpak or AppImage be an option? Or just make sure it runs with Wine? Probably all not that straightforward.

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                I think the problem with packaging isn't so much that there aren't good options. Some people don't like Flatpak. Some people don't like snaps. Maybe AppImage would be a good option. But these are all choices that can potentially fragment the target demographic even further, which reduces the value returned for the time invested in supporting it. Just my opinion, certainly not an expert.

                Wine is a great solution for windows-only things. The great thing about gaming, though, is that many of them are using languages like C++ which have full support on Linux systems natively. If you then have your graphics running through Vulkan, that also works across platforms. So, in my opinion, Wine shouldn't be something we continue to need for gaming. Not saying Wine won't be used or won't continue to be useful for gaming, just that it doesn't have to be the primary path to support Linux.

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                  It's not the fault of the creators of an operating system that Nvidia refuses to write comparable drivers. They're the only ones with the technical knowledge of the GPU's internals that is necessary to write a driver. Open-source Nouveau drivers exist but are less functional because of this, its programmers have to try to reverse-engineer and do a lot of guesswork and testing, and for free.

                  Basically: If you value FOSS software at all, buy from manufacturers that are friendlier to FOSS software, or you may unknowingly lock yourself out of it.

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                  Never said it was the fault of the creators, I love the idea of Linux and wish it was the mainstream desktop OS, then none of these issues would really exist. I only have issue with people pretending it's so simple to change to it from Windows, which is just almost never true.

                  I have an Nvidia card because it was the best option for me at the time I bought it, Valve's Proton hadn't matured enough for Linux to even be considered for gaming at that time (other Linux quirks aside). As much as I support FOSS, I love playing a variety of games with friends and that just wasn't going to be feasible with Linux 5-6 years ago. I wasn't going to dual-boot when I would end up spending most of my time in Windows anyway and the rest of my time troubleshooting Linux.

                  Now AMD has released a good card, Proton is really good and Linux has progressed further to where I can seriously consider it. With Windows 10 support ending, I am very likely to jump ship.

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                    Tried Pop PS recently. Night and day difference.

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                      So out of curiosity, why Mint over, say Debian? Has Debian added telemetry etc as well?

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                      Mint had had a Debian version for some time

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                        Funny how corporations think taking away consumers freedom and privacy is a good idea.

                        Have fun losing customers.

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                          Funny how corporations think taking away consumers freedom and privacy is a good idea.

                          Have fun losing customers.

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                          Its a good idea for their shareholders, who don't think beyond the next quater. Pretty sure most of them don't have object permanence.

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                            LibreOffice better step up their games and make their office suites better. Outside of very niche and specialized applications like CAD or video editor, the average Joe will just need a good office suite to do stuff.

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                              Uh

                              Who's ready to talk Linux

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                              Unfortunately the "horror" that is windows persists also as much as the horror in Linux. Which is a bunch of fanbois crowing about their distro without any explanation at all. But why do they do this? Because that's how they got into it, and that's how the people that got them into it got into it.

                              Which fucking distro should I use?
                              - Well, really it's just preference.

                              Then I choose arch.
                              - Uh, wrong try again lol.

                              Fair enough, Which fucking distro should I use?
                              - Well, really it's whatever works for you.

                              Okay, I didn't like the feel of that one.
                              - Well, you were using the wrong desktop environment.

                              πŸ˜πŸ˜‘πŸ˜€πŸ˜ ... ...Which fucking desktop environment should I use?
                              - Well, really it's just preference.

                              🀬. 🀬🀬, 🀬. 🀬.
                              - Look clearly you don't know what you're doing just use Ubuntu, or Kubuntu, or Lubuntu, or Xubuntu, or Fubuntu, or Poobuntu, or Schmubuntu. And with cinnamon obvi.

                              Well how do I know? The site for each one uses the exact same bloviated claims. They're all feature rich, and lightweight, and extended support, etc. Do I have to install them all to find out?
                              - Yes but that's impossible. So just use mine, it works.

                              Until it doesn't. Then you need to hit up Linux self help forums, to get help from Linux bros, who are the most detestable group of unhelpful, impatient, and pretentious neckbeards imaginable. "Did you try searching first?" "Just use our discord!" "Just use [my fucking distro!]"

                              πŸ˜–πŸ€―πŸ‘Ί

                              FML

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                                LibreOffice better step up their games and make their office suites better. Outside of very niche and specialized applications like CAD or video editor, the average Joe will just need a good office suite to do stuff.

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                                Most people just use the online office 365 thing.

                                What issues did you have with LibreOffice? I didn't spot any problems when I used it

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                                  We no longer own our products. We just pay to use it until they decide you can no longer use their service. What happens if they mysteriously shut down your account without warning?

                                  That is what happened to a guy and he had to get court involved and then he found out his account was flagged for CP by their algorithm because he had a video of his 19 year old ex. False bans do happen. I couldn't find that story again sadly to share.

                                  Also, make sure you always have back up turned off or have one drive not installed on your phone. If you're a parent, be careful what photos you take of your children because if those get backed up to cloud, their AI will kill your account because it can't tell between CP and normal family photos.

                                  I actually want to own our products than make accounts to use.

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                                  • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                                    Most people just use the online office 365 thing.

                                    What issues did you have with LibreOffice? I didn't spot any problems when I used it

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                                    oh LibreOffice works great for me in general. Only for some documents with macros that were created in MS Office, I have problems running them. Eg: I once received a MS Word document that has some preprogrammed drop down list - so you click to extend the list and choose your items. The document opens fine, but I couldnt get the drop down feature to work. For Excel, documents with lots of VBA codes, I need to go in and do some manual changes.

                                    In general, for 99% of the tasks, LibreOffice is fine. But it is that 1% which makes me still open up my Windows VM for MS Office.

                                    After their shenanigan with subscription only models, we still see MS Office being used a lot. It shows how strong MS grips on the Office area is.

                                    You are correct that 365 is used for most people. I used to use it too..For me, I prefer to be able to access stuff whenever I want. I live in an area with very shitty internet (both Wifi and 4G). Once, a client and I had to wait 5 minutes because Office Online takes too long to load up a spreadsheet. Offline for me is just a peace of mind.

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                                      Unfortunately the "horror" that is windows persists also as much as the horror in Linux. Which is a bunch of fanbois crowing about their distro without any explanation at all. But why do they do this? Because that's how they got into it, and that's how the people that got them into it got into it.

                                      Which fucking distro should I use?
                                      - Well, really it's just preference.

                                      Then I choose arch.
                                      - Uh, wrong try again lol.

                                      Fair enough, Which fucking distro should I use?
                                      - Well, really it's whatever works for you.

                                      Okay, I didn't like the feel of that one.
                                      - Well, you were using the wrong desktop environment.

                                      πŸ˜πŸ˜‘πŸ˜€πŸ˜ ... ...Which fucking desktop environment should I use?
                                      - Well, really it's just preference.

                                      🀬. 🀬🀬, 🀬. 🀬.
                                      - Look clearly you don't know what you're doing just use Ubuntu, or Kubuntu, or Lubuntu, or Xubuntu, or Fubuntu, or Poobuntu, or Schmubuntu. And with cinnamon obvi.

                                      Well how do I know? The site for each one uses the exact same bloviated claims. They're all feature rich, and lightweight, and extended support, etc. Do I have to install them all to find out?
                                      - Yes but that's impossible. So just use mine, it works.

                                      Until it doesn't. Then you need to hit up Linux self help forums, to get help from Linux bros, who are the most detestable group of unhelpful, impatient, and pretentious neckbeards imaginable. "Did you try searching first?" "Just use our discord!" "Just use [my fucking distro!]"

                                      πŸ˜–πŸ€―πŸ‘Ί

                                      FML

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                                      I typed 6 words. Are you alright

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                                        Hi another recent Linux adopter jumping in on a "fuck windows" thread.

                                        Seriously, it's not hard to shift. If you're use to macOS, get Elementary. If you're used to Windows, try Mint. Your machine will probably be fine for either. Setup/testing it out is trivial.

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                                          Hi another recent Linux adopter jumping in on a "fuck windows" thread.

                                          Seriously, it's not hard to shift. If you're use to macOS, get Elementary. If you're used to Windows, try Mint. Your machine will probably be fine for either. Setup/testing it out is trivial.

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                                          I tell people to make a live usb to test it first.

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