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EU considers stripping Hungary of voting rights over Ukraine obstruction

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    this is not a solution, it just echoes what US & Russia wants, to break EU apart.

    They must find a way to make it work somehow without breaking up the EU, this must never be seen as an option.

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    No, Putin's Puppet Orban is who is breaking apart the EU, for many years now.

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      But whatabout...

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      It isn’t tho when literal terrorists and war criminals roam Europe.

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        Just do it already

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          Good, get to it. Should've been done years ago.

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            That is essentialy the principle of good faith.

            Unfortunately, good faith only goes so far and things have reached a tipping point where clear cut, non dependent of votes and agreements, sanctions and limitations to members states are established.

            My own country prefers to pay an yearly fine instead of ending the double taxation in place on fuels.

            Hungary is veering further and further towards a totalitarian regime. Arguing that people voted for it is an empty reply. The country is plunging into the completely opposite direction of what a democratic state is.

            So stripping the country of its voting rights is not enough.

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            The way I see it, we should make EU2 and NATO2 all just the same, but with kick out rules, and just not invite the countries in that don't fit any more.

            With UN2 it's a bit different, because it's meant to get everyone on the table. So maybe just redo it without the stupid veto rules.

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              The way I see it, we should make EU2 and NATO2 all just the same, but with kick out rules, and just not invite the countries in that don't fit any more.

              With UN2 it's a bit different, because it's meant to get everyone on the table. So maybe just redo it without the stupid veto rules.

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              There is nothing simple in removing a nation from a treaty, even more when it involves such degree of integration as we have in the EU. Remember Brexit. It was a complete disaster.

              Saying there is a need to remake this or that institution is also not a good idea.

              UN as it exists is undermined. Either all countries of good faith band together and forcefully ignore the treaties on which the alliance predicates in order to force change or those countries simply ignore UN and create a new international organization, with the same purpose but with more muscle and bite behind it. In my view, the UN could evolve to what could become a global federation and the prototype of a unified, transnational, government.

              Regarding the EU, it is by default, to my knowledge, an ever evolving organism. New agreements, treaties, etc, are constantly being drafted, negotiated, etc. It is, very obviously and objectively, a large, cumbersome, slow beast but it has created very good initiatives that have created good outcomes for all.

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                Should have been done a while ago. A clear message should have been sent that undemocratic, Russian figureheads wouldn't be tolerated.

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                • obviouslynotbanana@lemmy.worldO [email protected]

                  While there is plenty to be said about it, the situation in Ukraine is a bit more immediately situated.

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                  Fair point, considering the ramifications on Zelensky's counter-deal.

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                    "considers"

                    it's like sending an angry letter

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                      "considers"

                      it's like sending an angry letter

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                      Due process...

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