Makes sense
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They weren't worried about the tax man, but only a fool would believe there were zero authorities that would question someone suddenly coming upon wealth
And what sort of a fool would live under some state's power while actively practicing piracy?
You're just gonna get the crew to drop you off after four to see your wife and kids? Take the weekend off, park the pirate sloop in the harbor?
Pirates didn't participate in high society. Or any state-sponsored society for that matter. They had their own societies.
wrote last edited by [email protected]They still needed to interact with society. Do you think most ports weren't controlled by some kind of authority that you'd have to get some kind of either favor or believability with? I'm not saying they had to establish a provable paper trail like today, but merely divert poignant questions.
Pirates weren't pirates just to pirate things... not the successful ones, anyways. To think they'd have no need to enage with normal society is ... just silly.
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They still needed to interact with society. Do you think most ports weren't controlled by some kind of authority that you'd have to get some kind of either favor or believability with? I'm not saying they had to establish a provable paper trail like today, but merely divert poignant questions.
Pirates weren't pirates just to pirate things... not the successful ones, anyways. To think they'd have no need to enage with normal society is ... just silly.
To think they'd have no need to enage with normal society is ... just silly.
Honestly, it's now been a few decades and gonna have to say, even if I feel like an old man yelling at the skies, it does feel like people on the internet just used to be smarter and humbler.
I just linked you two articles which detail almost a century of the golden age of piracy, during which private havens, aka complete societies which were either under weak states which tolerated/allowed or even sponsored piracy, or completely self governing communities. Either way, they were complete communities. There are people who lived their entire lived in cities like Port Royal and Tortuga.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Piracy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_haven
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortuga_(Haiti)
Tortuga is 183 square kilometres. These weren't tiny outposts in which pirates hid from the authorities. They were prosperous and wild, but complete societies.
To not even glimpse at the basic material when it's literally shoved in your face, yet still have the gall to argue as if you knew the subject? The internet was better 25-20 years ago without the normies.
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I'd be more concerned about the flying saucer critter eyeing them down.
...or the lit stick of dynamite a few feet away from the dude's head.
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I'm no historical expert and I am just kind of spitballing here but I could see a few situations where that would make sense. Like you have something that is too hot to handle for the time being, maybe you just stole from Spain and now you have to pass through a Spanish blockade? Or maybe people can easily show up to a port with a normal amount of gold/currency but then over a certain amount it either risks being confiscated or drawing attention.
Interesting to realize; a ship pulling into port is just a privateer, especially if their cargo hold is nothing but a shipment of bananas. The only thing that makes them a pirate is a freighter on the bottom of the sea, and treasure only they know about.
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To think they'd have no need to enage with normal society is ... just silly.
Honestly, it's now been a few decades and gonna have to say, even if I feel like an old man yelling at the skies, it does feel like people on the internet just used to be smarter and humbler.
I just linked you two articles which detail almost a century of the golden age of piracy, during which private havens, aka complete societies which were either under weak states which tolerated/allowed or even sponsored piracy, or completely self governing communities. Either way, they were complete communities. There are people who lived their entire lived in cities like Port Royal and Tortuga.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Piracy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_haven
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortuga_(Haiti)
Tortuga is 183 square kilometres. These weren't tiny outposts in which pirates hid from the authorities. They were prosperous and wild, but complete societies.
To not even glimpse at the basic material when it's literally shoved in your face, yet still have the gall to argue as if you knew the subject? The internet was better 25-20 years ago without the normies.
My point was they'd still have some need to launder money. Or do you think it was just a walk in the park to get tons of gold and avoid all the people you've just robbed?
Even if laundering money was just as easy for some as going to the right port and melting it down DOES NOT erase the long history of laundering and subterfuge.
A single time period with single instances where pirates were the police does not magically remove the MUCH larger history of civilization.
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If you got a pile of gold, you have something of inherent value, which you could, for instance melt down into bars.
If you have something worth a lot of money, you'll always find someone to buy it.
You're really thinking more like someone having stolen the Mona-Lisa in the 21st century than pirates plundering raw wares and possibly some valuables.
Hell a bit more than a hundred years ago a servant could rather easily, if they wanted, just steal all the jewelry and valuables of their mistress and if they actually went further than like 100 miles from where they stole them, the chances of getting caught would be quite small. Or especially if they were actually a professional thief and knew a fence.
But pirated didn't need to worry about any of that.
They'd just sail into a pirate haven, basically proto-anarchist societies, and they weren't in short supply either.
Meh, we're mostly on the same page. I wasn't thinking so much of legit authorities acting. More like someone will want to steal that gold. Best to keep it on the down low, dole it out slowly, kinda like money laundering. Avoiding the thugs vs. avoiding the authorities? Am I making sense? I have no idea any more.
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My point was they'd still have some need to launder money. Or do you think it was just a walk in the park to get tons of gold and avoid all the people you've just robbed?
Even if laundering money was just as easy for some as going to the right port and melting it down DOES NOT erase the long history of laundering and subterfuge.
A single time period with single instances where pirates were the police does not magically remove the MUCH larger history of civilization.
wrote last edited by [email protected]They had their own islands and cities which they could defend.
Yes, they absolutely could avoid anyone they just robbed. That's why they did it.
Honestly you still haven't even glimpsed at the articles yet, have you?
"much larger history of civilization"
Pirates are still a thing. Less so, but they are.
It was just the golden age of piracy because of just how far spread it was and how little any state could oppose them. Lots of states allowed and supported it, as per common knowledge and me now reiterating it for the second time.
Tldr, my point is that you're wrong.
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Meh, we're mostly on the same page. I wasn't thinking so much of legit authorities acting. More like someone will want to steal that gold. Best to keep it on the down low, dole it out slowly, kinda like money laundering. Avoiding the thugs vs. avoiding the authorities? Am I making sense? I have no idea any more.
Sort of but not really. For instance a pirate ship might plunder a. merchant ship full of silk and calico and a tiny bit of gold and silver. They'd share the gold and silver, according to the articles, ie the rules of the ship. (Which were pretty strict at times, like boy's boarding school strict.)
Then they'd sail into a favourable port, a pirate haven, like Port Royal. Sell the silk and calico, share the profit with the crew, then prolly spend some of it while the boat resupplies and then cast off to find another ship to raid.
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I'd be more concerned about the flying saucer critter eyeing them down.
...or the lit stick of dynamite a few feet away from the dude's head.
Or the eyeball. Or the other thing, whatever it is.
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I'd be more concerned about the flying saucer critter eyeing them down.
...or the lit stick of dynamite a few feet away from the dude's head.
wrote last edited by [email protected]It's a Bizarro comic. The little alien guy is always there somewhere.
Finding all the small details like that is half the fun.
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I'd be more concerned about the flying saucer critter eyeing them down.
...or the lit stick of dynamite a few feet away from the dude's head.
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I was under the impression it was just storage under-the-mattress style. No one's bringing a treasure chest to buy eggs.
This was my thought as well. You obviously aren't using a bank, and you probably dont trust enough people to keep that on your ship. Not to mention if your ship goes down and you survive, it sure would be nice to get your treasure back. Hence the maps with "tricks." Theyre only supposed to be Hints for the person know already knows where it is
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It's a Bizarro comic. The little alien guy is always there somewhere.
Finding all the small details like that is half the fun.
Nice! This was my first one - definitely had me scouring the entire image once I started noticing the weirdness.
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They had their own islands and cities which they could defend.
Yes, they absolutely could avoid anyone they just robbed. That's why they did it.
Honestly you still haven't even glimpsed at the articles yet, have you?
"much larger history of civilization"
Pirates are still a thing. Less so, but they are.
It was just the golden age of piracy because of just how far spread it was and how little any state could oppose them. Lots of states allowed and supported it, as per common knowledge and me now reiterating it for the second time.
Tldr, my point is that you're wrong.
The topic was why pirates would need to launder. Not that every pirate that ever existed needed to launder. Now take your fucking pathetic reading comprehension somewhere else.
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The topic was why pirates would need to launder. Not that every pirate that ever existed needed to launder. Now take your fucking pathetic reading comprehension somewhere else.
That's rather ironic, seeing as you straight up refuse to read and keep arguing about something you clearly don't know jack shit about.
Anyone participating in piracy would be hanged in those non-supporting places which didn't accept piracy. The place which weren't the pirate havens I've now linked several times.
First, they usually didn't end up with money, but with wares more than gold. Secondly, neither of that is in anything way trackable. Thirdly, they can just go and sell it in a pirate haven and then travel in disguise to a place somewhere else to spend it. Who do you think theyre having to hide their wealth from?
You're just incredibly mad you said something you didn't think through and even though you now realise how silly it was, you can't even stop, but just keep digging yourself deeper.
Hilarious.
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Yea pirates burying treasure is largely a myth imo
Like yeah there's documented instances, but it wasn't common practice.
Captain Kidd did claim he buried treasure, but he did it as a stalling tactic to delay his inevitable hanging. There are no confirmed cases of pirates burying their treasure.
The myth largely sprung up from the novel Treasure Island. Which birth a ton of adventure tropes.
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That's rather ironic, seeing as you straight up refuse to read and keep arguing about something you clearly don't know jack shit about.
Anyone participating in piracy would be hanged in those non-supporting places which didn't accept piracy. The place which weren't the pirate havens I've now linked several times.
First, they usually didn't end up with money, but with wares more than gold. Secondly, neither of that is in anything way trackable. Thirdly, they can just go and sell it in a pirate haven and then travel in disguise to a place somewhere else to spend it. Who do you think theyre having to hide their wealth from?
You're just incredibly mad you said something you didn't think through and even though you now realise how silly it was, you can't even stop, but just keep digging yourself deeper.
Hilarious.
What's hilarious is you constantly arguing against a point that was never made. To think the existence of pirate cities completely removes any need to launder money is both hilarious and pathetic of you.
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I don't think pirates really worried about laundering any booty. What for? They weren't worried about the IRS, nor would people generally have qualms about where someone's gold/silverm/wares might have come from, methinks.
Gold was absolutely taxed and controlled In those days. Just because modern taxation didn't exist, it didn't mean that people didn't ask 'hey where did you get the money from?'
There have been cases as far back as Ancient Egypt where robbers were caught because they suddenly had access to large amounts of money they wouldn't have had otherwise. I think it involved a group of people who robbed a Pharoah's tomb. It has been decades since I read about it so I could be off.
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What's hilarious is you constantly arguing against a point that was never made. To think the existence of pirate cities completely removes any need to launder money is both hilarious and pathetic of you.
You've never explained any need for any "money laundering".
It's as if you're arguing that because roads were muddy in the 1600's, there had to have been car washing places. Equally silly.
If there was even a whiff of piracy about you, you could be hanged. So you'd probably avoid living in places that would do that to pirates. You have to launder your entire life, not just your money. And then that would mean you couldn't have your pirate life.
So no, pirates didn't "launder money." Hell, bank notes didn't even exist. Weirdly the fall of piracy coincides with the rise of large colonial powers with central banks. What a weird coincidink, huh? Except it's not. There's heavy causation, as bank notes — unlike gold or silver or wares — would be practically worthless to pirates.
However, money laundering as a concept as such is from the 1920s or thereabouts. You know how Al Capone going to prison for tax fraud was a big thing at the time? They couldn't catch him on anything, so they caught him on taxes. And specific anti-money laundering legislation didn't arrive until like the 80's,
You're just simply pushing a notion you have to historic frameworks that have absolutely nothing to do with it.
Do explain to me, what would they "launder" their "money" for, and how? Give me specifics, please. (This is rhetorical, because you're full of bullshit and those reasons don't exist you silly monkey.)
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Gold was absolutely taxed and controlled In those days. Just because modern taxation didn't exist, it didn't mean that people didn't ask 'hey where did you get the money from?'
There have been cases as far back as Ancient Egypt where robbers were caught because they suddenly had access to large amounts of money they wouldn't have had otherwise. I think it involved a group of people who robbed a Pharoah's tomb. It has been decades since I read about it so I could be off.
Gold was absolutely taxed and controlled In those days.
By whom, exactly? The states too weak to invade and take control of pirate havens?
"hey where did you get the money from?'
"fuck off, that's where"
Uuu so challenging this "monkey laundering" in the 1700's.
Bank notes didn't practically exist. Money was actually gold or silver. Moneys laundering as a concept is from the 1920's from mafia who lived under a states rule.
I imagine that England sending letters to pirated saying "hey guys we need you to pay your taxes and also please come back to England so we can hang you for piracy" would've gotten similar responses as what the pirates over at pirate-bay in the modern world gave to a similar power, only in modern parliance.
