Teddybears - Punkrocker
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I liked the movie, but could have done without the messaging. I dislike political messaging in media even when I agree with the message, because I’m going to said media to escape reality. I don’t need a reminder about it, and I particularly don’t need some allegorical moral instruction, like I’m some sort of child.
I think there’s a place for political messaging in film—like when it’s the explicit purpose of said film—but I don’t like it being wedged in just anywhere.
That was the explicit messaging of the movie. The scene with Superman not understanding why some people might have an issue with him saving lives, to him convincing the other Heroes to throw realpolitik to the side to do the same, to Lex completely not understanding altruism. It wasn't just wedged in. It's was the whole point of the movie.
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I understand your point, you just don’t understand how character writing works. Removing the politics of a character is bad writing that panders to bad taste.
No, you don’t understand my point, because you think I’m talking about Superman’s “politics.” I’m talking about James Gunn’s politics and him using Superman as a mouthpiece for them. Superman doesn’t have politics in the sense I’m talking about. He’s just on the side of freedom, peace, and good. Classic moral tropes that virtually everyone supports, because without context, they’re just ideals. When you contextualize them with modern, real-world events though, they become political messaging, and that’s what I don’t like in a superhero movie.
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That was the explicit messaging of the movie. The scene with Superman not understanding why some people might have an issue with him saving lives, to him convincing the other Heroes to throw realpolitik to the side to do the same, to Lex completely not understanding altruism. It wasn't just wedged in. It's was the whole point of the movie.
No, it wasn’t the whole point of the movie, it was a thinly veneered plot that mimicked and commented upon real-world events. The central themes of the film were about identity being defined by one’s choices and actions, rather than one’s genetics or parents’ wishes. Films that explicitly critique society are films like Brazil or The Manchurian Candidate, and I have no problem with them because they’re explicit in their purpose at being political commentary. Making a superhero movie that’s purpose is rebooting the DCEU and inserting a political message into it is not explicit at all.
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Explain how punching Nazis while being a character specifically designed to steal "Superman" rhetoric from them is being on the wrong side.
In the early years of the war dude has an issue where he drags Hitler and Stalin before the League of Nations to stand trial from invading Poland.
The only thing I can think of was all the racism against the Japanese... Okay yeah that was bad but it was also segregation era America so that was the style at the time, you take what you can get.
Yeah, I should have specified I was referring to his "Slap A Jap" phase
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Im so glad Im not American. It must be fucking exhausting keeping this dumb as fuck culture war going.
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Waaaaah! Suoerman isn't enough if an edgy antihero for me!
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Real talk: Hollywood didn’t go “woke” you just grew up to be a piece of shit.
No, but, see, superman wasn't enough of an edgy anti-hero in this one so now I'm sad.
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I liked the movie, but could have done without the messaging. I dislike political messaging in media even when I agree with the message, because I’m going to said media to escape reality. I don’t need a reminder about it, and I particularly don’t need some allegorical moral instruction, like I’m some sort of child.
I think there’s a place for political messaging in film—like when it’s the explicit purpose of said film—but I don’t like it being wedged in just anywhere.
I thought the movie was awful, but the message was good. The plot was just bad. The characters were so unrealistic that it was distracting. Like, the people Luthor had in his command centre. These ordinary people were eager to kill, or at least badly injure Superman? That detail needed an explanation. It wouldn't have needed one if they hadn't focused so much on those characters, but for some reason they were made an important part of the story.
The only really great scene in the movie was when Lois Lane grilled Superman on his intervention in the war. It was good to see a good-hearted man who was confident he had done the right thing stumble when asked hard questions.
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People are stupid
Fascists aren't people in most of the ways that matter.
They do have viable organs tho, if we wanted to address the shortage in an easy and ethical way.
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The only problem I have with this is that it's fiction.
If even Superman is being targeted, I don't even want to know what Captain America is up to these days. Is he already the poster boy for ICE?
I'm asking because this isn't fiction.
what Captain America is up to these days. Is he already the poster boy for ICE?
Well, yeah, he basically was, for a while.
(These fascist types tend to identify more with the Punisher, though, despite the fact that he'd be the first to shoot them full of bullets.)
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I mean, dirty cops love the Punisher, even though he's canonically killed quite a few of them.
Hes canonically also said he hates cops that worship him because they are supposed to be the vanguard of law and order, not murderers. I think he then went on to kill those cops, to really just nail the whole point home.
Surprise surprise, it didn't take.
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The funniest thing is that the superhero they have a problem with is Superman.
If it were Batman, that would be different. Batman isn't a pure-hearted hero, he's a more complex character. If it had been someone in the X-Men, or pretty much any Avenger other than Captain America, there would be room for a discussion.
But, Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero that it's basically impossible to be a good person and be anti-Superman.
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Fellas, is it gay to value your loved ones and oppose violence?
Hella gay. Let’s go do crimes about it.
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I think it's very interesting that CA: Winter Soldier was about the secret Nazis that have taken over the military and plan to kill everyone with their drones and facial recognition while CA: Brave New World (Order) is about how slavery is okay when the President General does it and loves his daughter or something
CA: Brave New World (Order) is about how slavery is okay when the President General does it and loves his daughter or something
What? Ross ended up in jail, and was never portrayed as the good guy...
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Have you seen The Boys? There's an actual fan club of Homelander. The series creators are trying to cut it down because it's the exact opposite of the message they try to bring. Vilans are people's new heroes now. Like Trump and Musk for example.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Its the same way all of silicon valley read 'snow crash' and was like 'yeah! Metaverse! Apartheid south african enclaves in los angeles! Mind vontrol virus! Christofascism!'
They can't, like, read for the editorial content of what the author's saying. It starts and ends with imagining literal facts.
I blame the total lack of humanuties education.
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Im so glad Im not American. It must be fucking exhausting keeping this dumb as fuck culture war going.
Feels like they're arguing with themselves and begging for attention most of the time. It wouldn't be a problem if corpo bitches didn't listen to them.
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The only problem I have with this is that it's fiction.
If even Superman is being targeted, I don't even want to know what Captain America is up to these days. Is he already the poster boy for ICE?
I'm asking because this isn't fiction.
I'm kinda in the same boat. I don't give a fuck about Superman or Bond or any other lone hero fighting against imaginary villains when real villains are running amok.
Even James Gunn seems to be aware of this FWIW
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No, you don’t understand my point, because you think I’m talking about Superman’s “politics.” I’m talking about James Gunn’s politics and him using Superman as a mouthpiece for them. Superman doesn’t have politics in the sense I’m talking about. He’s just on the side of freedom, peace, and good. Classic moral tropes that virtually everyone supports, because without context, they’re just ideals. When you contextualize them with modern, real-world events though, they become political messaging, and that’s what I don’t like in a superhero movie.
wrote last edited by [email protected]> Superman doesn’t have politics in the sense I’m talking about.
> He’s just on the side of freedom, peace, and good.
Damn, you a dense one huh
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No, you don’t understand my point, because you think I’m talking about Superman’s “politics.” I’m talking about James Gunn’s politics and him using Superman as a mouthpiece for them. Superman doesn’t have politics in the sense I’m talking about. He’s just on the side of freedom, peace, and good. Classic moral tropes that virtually everyone supports, because without context, they’re just ideals. When you contextualize them with modern, real-world events though, they become political messaging, and that’s what I don’t like in a superhero movie.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The fuck do you think Superman is doing in the comics?
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I mean, dirty cops love the Punisher, even though he's canonically killed quite a few of them.
wrote last edited by [email protected]and they dont realized boyz IS ALSO MAKING fun of them and trump at the same time, they like the authotarian nature of shows and media, plus straight white male, but dont realize its conservatives that these shows are parodying.
