And nothing of value was lost
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Two counterpoints to this (although I like the spirit):the paradox of intolerance suggests that intolerance will easily spread if we tolerate it. So in a world where tolerance is abundant: intolerance itself should still not be tolerated.
In a way I feel this may be saying the same thing again, but when we speak of protected classes and human rights we generally think of immutable qualities assigned at birth. That is, it’s not okay to discriminate based on things such as skin color, height, sound of voice, heritage, language, race, disability etc. and you get the idea.
Modern ideas stretch this a bit, as sexuality and gender identity have recently (as in within the last century, and only then within more educated cultures) entered as protected facets of human expression due to our understanding of them as involuntary. Even an individual’s personal religion is universally considered to not be up for debate, even though each of the world’s religions are composed of transient beliefs that an individual is allowed to change whether they are comfortable with it or not.
Any group’s ideas for societal idealism do not and should not get these types of protections, because ideas obviously should change if a better idea is presented. It should be agreed upon that whatever utopia is (for however close the human race can get to it), it would need to be universally agreed upon by all living individuals as well as all possible human group permutations. This is seemingly insurmountably large, so some of us tried to take shortcuts by eliminating other groups, and to make a long story short you could say the world universally condemned these ideas as one of the first “global” acts.
The point is, if somebody has:
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Willingly violated the social contract in defiance of available historical context and public information, and
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Elected to voluntarily hold that an aforementioned Protected Class of people should be either eliminated or exiled (in service to making their version of utopia easier to achieve), then
Then this somebody has found themselves to be a member of the one group of people (a group founded on voluntary belief) that society at large would be better to either eliminate or exile.
Obviously debate is preferred but one cannot reason with somebody who believes deep down in another group’s inferiority.
I agree with all you wrote, and it's a good point well made. However, in the context of what it's replying to, it could be interpreted as condoning the death penalty for extremists, which I disagree with, if it was intended that way.
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My grandfather killed a nazi and became a hero. Ms. Sherry does it and she becomes the enemy. That doesn't seem fair.
It does. When you did not discriminate but happen to do the "right" thing you are not to praise.
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YOU didn't say celebrate. I said you're shaming others for celebrating. Again, work on your own reading comprehension before you attempt to take the high road...
Except I'm not. My scope has been very limited to the dehumanization aspect. But otherwise I'm done with you arguing in bad faith
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I agree with all you wrote, and it's a good point well made. However, in the context of what it's replying to, it could be interpreted as condoning the death penalty for extremists, which I disagree with, if it was intended that way.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I see what you mean, in my case I believe that the only viable options are debate then expulsion in extreme cases.
I know I was being somewhat brash when I wrote this (middle of the night where I am) and would likely omit the “or eliminate” part if I written again. I know that was a popular option durning the Nuremberg trials for some of the worst orchestrators but I’m always of the “We have to be better/there has to be a better way” mindset.
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I hope one day you come to realize this is as stupid of a take as saying, "violence is bad!" towards someone bloodied and bruised who just defended themselves from an attack.
At a certain point, someone deserves to be punched in the face. At a certain point, someone deserves to be treated less than a cordial human being.
Ironically, I still agree with, "we need to remember these are human beings". Yes, yes we do. Because we need to ALWAYS remember the sheer depravity other human beings are capable of. That does NOT mean they deserve respect or even life.
Allowing terrible, despicable people to continue being terrible, despicable people is EXACTLY how we got here. Yes, the paradox of tolerance is a difficult chestnut to crack, as it should never simply be, "I hate who they are". Though when someone espouses the very hate you fear and wants to bring that in to the world, it should be obvious...
Just like violence should not be condoned, self defence cannot be condemned, either. What you ask for is condemning self defense because it is not pretty. In times like this, you NEED to understand the emotional equivalence of self defense. Just because someone is willing to throw a punch in direct response, DOES NOT make them equivalent to the people willing to throw the first punch at someone doing nothing wrong.
Nazis and kkk and other scum are attacking the very humanity you want to defend. Yet you want everyone to continue to allow these attacks. You are FAILING the paradox of tolerance.
Jumping back here to say that
we need to ALWAYS remember the sheer depravity
otherhuman beings are capable of.Is the only thing I'm saying
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If this situation was reversed, MAGA would have raised $100k for her legal defense by now.
At least 500k
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If we are taking it seriously, that lady is lucky to be alive let alone able to open a car door at a BAC of .42. Secondly if she was at a .42 and looked that well put together when they let her out of the drunk tank the next morning it's just not fair.
You can get amazing amounts of alcohol in your blood and still function, you just gotta do it slowly.
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My grandfather killed a nazi and became a hero. Ms. Sherry does it and she becomes the enemy. That doesn't seem fair.
Your grandfather went to war to protect the world from a global enemy. Mr. Sherry got drunk and drove on the way killing a nazi. These two things are not even close to be the same. Lets just be happy a nazi died. No need to justify DUI.
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Based booze cruiser fights fascism
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I agree with all you wrote, and it's a good point well made. However, in the context of what it's replying to, it could be interpreted as condoning the death penalty for extremists, which I disagree with, if it was intended that way.
Death penalty, but more likely death in combat while trying to oust them from society. Like was done in WWII. These fuckers aren't going anywhere voluntarily, it will take violence to remove them from society.
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In Italy there's been a big push against this in the last decade.
There's now a law called "road murder" (omicidio stradale) which makes the penalties for killing someone while driving, especially if intoxicated, more similar to intentional murder (rather than manslaughter). It's essentially aggravated manslaughter, when you cause the death of someone while driving recklessly.
That's brilliant.
Honestly I'd push for a change in law such that a crash between a car and a more vulnerable road user is legally presumed to be the car's fault unless evidence is provided to the contrary. The big problem we've had far too many times where I live, and in many other parts of the world, is that because you can't prove the driver was riding negligently (or more to the point: because you can't convince a car-brained jury pool or judge panel to find that they were negligent), far too often they get off scott-free.
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Her inmate photo is something else. Sadly she got like 15 years. Free my girl.
She seems happy about it? Also shouldn't her name be kept private? Are convicts details to be public knowledge?
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That's brilliant.
Honestly I'd push for a change in law such that a crash between a car and a more vulnerable road user is legally presumed to be the car's fault unless evidence is provided to the contrary. The big problem we've had far too many times where I live, and in many other parts of the world, is that because you can't prove the driver was riding negligently (or more to the point: because you can't convince a car-brained jury pool or judge panel to find that they were negligent), far too often they get off scott-free.
Generally speaking, here it's often presumed that it's the car's fault, or at least that's how I feel it's perceived.
Still, negligent driving includes DUI, driving while on the phone, driving too fast, driving in the opposite lane, not stopping to a red light or yield, illegal passing of another car and failing to stop after the incident occurred.
Moreover, the law now specifies that DUI is a criminal offense even when no incident occurred and blood level of alcohol is above 0.8 g/l, with possible jail time from 6 months to a year.
It's become quite strict. Although I'm not sure how much it will actually affect the number of incidents, I'm not always very pro to "just increase the penalties" kind of laws. We need a more comprehensive plan to reduce the likelihood of incidents as much as possible, especially deadly incidents.
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She seems happy about it? Also shouldn't her name be kept private? Are convicts details to be public knowledge?
It is public information yes (though it does depend on the state).
For example in Nevada (not related to her, just the state I'm in): https://doc.nv.gov/inmates/home/
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She seems happy about it? Also shouldn't her name be kept private? Are convicts details to be public knowledge?
i dont know all the details but states have different laws regarding privacy for criminals. Florida for instance does not have many protections which is why so many local stories about crime come from there
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She seems happy about it? Also shouldn't her name be kept private? Are convicts details to be public knowledge?
It's in the article, it's public.
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Except I'm not. My scope has been very limited to the dehumanization aspect. But otherwise I'm done with you arguing in bad faith
wrote last edited by [email protected]I'm not arguing in bad faith for disagreeing with you... rofl what a pathetically childish attitude you have. No wonder you don't understand this conversation nor the paradox of tolerance.
Give it a few years. You'll come to realize terrible people bring far, far more ugly things in to the world than a simple celebration of hateful shitstains meeting the dirt.
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Jumping back here to say that
we need to ALWAYS remember the sheer depravity
otherhuman beings are capable of.Is the only thing I'm saying
Again, just because they are also humna beings does NOT mean they deserve respect or even life.
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My grandfather killed a nazi and became a hero. Ms. Sherry does it and she becomes the enemy. That doesn't seem fair.
The difference is that your grandfather aimed at Nazis where as this bitch was just your average day red neck trash who doesn't give a shit about anyone but herself and doesn't give a shit of she kills a Nazi or a little child.
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Yeah, I get the hurr durr, but this bitch is just your average day red neck trash who doesn't give a shit about anyone but herself and doesn't give a shit of she kills a Nazi or a little child.
Fuck this bitch, let her rot in jail. Just bect she got lucky doesn't make any of this better
