Putin to conscript 160,000 more Russians for war with Ukraine
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The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it's propaganda? or is it just that desperate?
Maybe I should just Google it but... do you remember any specific cases of this pushback?
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Maybe I should just Google it but... do you remember any specific cases of this pushback?
There were protests and hundred of thousands of young Russian men left the country after Putin announced the first "partial" mobilisation. The recruitment process was also botched and conscripted even the disabled and old.
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Maybe I should just Google it but... do you remember any specific cases of this pushback?
This articles covers some interesting incidents and this wikipedia article is more exhaustive though covers the domestic anti-war events more broadly.
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That's the only negative aspect about it
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Maybe I should just Google it but... do you remember any specific cases of this pushback?
The amount of Russians leaving the country to avoid conscription was very high. You can't really hide that. There are stories of men being kept hidden to avoid the press gangs. But all of that is probably par for the course considering the amount of soldiers dying on foreign soil.
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As we all know, repeatedly drafting several divisions worth of men is a sign you're winning the war...
Territorially? Yes, Russia is winning. But politically, economically and socially? Russia already lost. The deaths of thousands of soldiers in the face of Russia's demographic crisis will result fewer labour force, which means lower tax revenue. The Russian economy is in war footing and this is already causing inflation because of heightened government expenditure, and businesses struggling to pay the ever increasing wage demands of civilians, who replaced the jobs that would have been filled instead by soldiers from the front. With secondary sanctions, even Chinese banks are reluctant to lend to Russia. The future generations of Russians will be paying for the economic and social consequences of the war in Ukraine. In essence, Russia may be winning territorially, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory with generational consequences.
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Vlad should call his MAGA supporters to join his cause and it will fulfill their need for violence.
From what I've seen on the reddit right-leaning subs most of them are very against the entire war and sending money/troops at all.
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Ukraine is Russia’s Vietnam.
Ukraine is Russia’s Mongol Invasion of Japan.
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The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it's propaganda? or is it just that desperate?
Both sides have resorted impressment to refill their ranks, regardless of public pushback men can still get bagged into a van on the street and sent to the front lines.
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Russia isn't going to have any young men left.
They have plenty here in America.
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The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it's propaganda? or is it just that desperate?
The Kremlin is confident that they will kill as many protesters as will be required to destroy any uprising.
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Territorially? Yes, Russia is winning. But politically, economically and socially? Russia already lost. The deaths of thousands of soldiers in the face of Russia's demographic crisis will result fewer labour force, which means lower tax revenue. The Russian economy is in war footing and this is already causing inflation because of heightened government expenditure, and businesses struggling to pay the ever increasing wage demands of civilians, who replaced the jobs that would have been filled instead by soldiers from the front. With secondary sanctions, even Chinese banks are reluctant to lend to Russia. The future generations of Russians will be paying for the economic and social consequences of the war in Ukraine. In essence, Russia may be winning territorially, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory with generational consequences.
They still only have 20 percent of the country. After years. At this rate they will run out of people before Ukraine runs out of territory.
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The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it's propaganda? or is it just that desperate?
effect of its* propaganda
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Territorially? Yes, Russia is winning. But politically, economically and socially? Russia already lost. The deaths of thousands of soldiers in the face of Russia's demographic crisis will result fewer labour force, which means lower tax revenue. The Russian economy is in war footing and this is already causing inflation because of heightened government expenditure, and businesses struggling to pay the ever increasing wage demands of civilians, who replaced the jobs that would have been filled instead by soldiers from the front. With secondary sanctions, even Chinese banks are reluctant to lend to Russia. The future generations of Russians will be paying for the economic and social consequences of the war in Ukraine. In essence, Russia may be winning territorially, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory with generational consequences.
You are right and coming out of that war footing when all the bill are due? Diaster
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This articles covers some interesting incidents and this wikipedia article is more exhaustive though covers the domestic anti-war events more broadly.
Ehh sorry. I assumed/hoped you were talking about something more, that I wasn't aware of. I know of these protests, but they were not nearly intense enough to disrupt the system. Much of the urban youth that might have led the protests has left the country in the meantime too, so I wouldn't be surprised if the next round of recruitment is met with even weaker resistance...
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The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it's propaganda? or is it just that desperate?
The pushback was for the mobilisation, while this is a start of a routine conscription event, these happen twice every year
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Summary
Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered 160,000 more Russians aged 18–30 be drafted from April 1 to July 15, amid U.S.-brokered ceasefire talks.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned the Kremlin is preparing a major offensive in Sumy, Kharkiv, and Zaporizhzhia, accusing Russia of stalling negotiations to gain territorial leverage.
Over 100,000 Russian soldiers are confirmed dead. Ukraine reported 46,000 dead and 380,000 wounded.
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Summary
Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered 160,000 more Russians aged 18–30 be drafted from April 1 to July 15, amid U.S.-brokered ceasefire talks.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned the Kremlin is preparing a major offensive in Sumy, Kharkiv, and Zaporizhzhia, accusing Russia of stalling negotiations to gain territorial leverage.
Over 100,000 Russian soldiers are confirmed dead. Ukraine reported 46,000 dead and 380,000 wounded.
Conscripting babies.
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Europeans stuck with Ukraine
I mean, giving weapons is different from sending soldiers. This is what I mean by "most people haven't seen friends die." It's a completely different ballgame that most of us in the West do not have experience in and are not prepared for.
I do agree with us not being prepared for it. But whether we can go through something like Ukraine, losing soldiers by the tens of thousands with hundreds of thousands injured, that only time will tell.
I don't think Europeans will cave just because it gets atrocious. I think Russia is wrong in believing Europe decadent and unwilling to make sacrifices, but nobody knows what will happen until it does.
All I am saying is that if we were as weak as we are portrayed, we should not still be supporting Ukraine and we should not be rearming at a rate not seen since cold war (although whether that actually happens we will see in the coming year or so).
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Europe has 450 million people. It will be easier for them than Russia with 146 million people. Stop spreading FUD.
It is very different though, because Russia is a dictatorship that can force conscript people with no reason. Putin doesn't care about survivability of the troops.
Europe has entirely different standards and just raising 10K is expensive for countries that cannot just cut social and health care without consequences and committing such troops to real danger is very different from keeping them in home land.
This isn't a numbers game, it is a game of will and commitment. Democracies will always struggle in war compared to dictators because they actually care about their people.
Also I have no idea what FUD means, but I can tell you that using obscure abbreviations does not make you sound cool
it is just cringy.
