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Revealed: Thousands of UK university students caught cheating using AI

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  • P [email protected]

    That’s fine if you don’t, but you can ask questions.

    They even have these clickers that allow the professor to ask “snap questions” with multiple choice answers so they can check understanding

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    I can’t believe people go into debt for that experience. I would be livid.

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    • 30p87@feddit.org3 [email protected]

      Should be expelled and banned for life.

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      Everyone who's not religious cheats though.

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      • golfnovemberuniform@infosec.pubG [email protected]

        Everyone who's not religious cheats though.

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        I'm the most atheistic person you're gonna meet, and no, I don't cheat.

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        • 30p87@feddit.org3 [email protected]

          I'm the most atheistic person you're gonna meet, and no, I don't cheat.

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          Maybe not with AI but in a different way. Also exceptions obviously exist.

          Anyways enough of boosting your stats.

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          • golfnovemberuniform@infosec.pubG [email protected]

            Maybe not with AI but in a different way. Also exceptions obviously exist.

            Anyways enough of boosting your stats.

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            Also not without ML. Especially in university you don't learn out of obligation anymore, you learn to actually acquire new skills. As soon as you let someone else or an LLM do that, you're very clearly showing that you don't actually have any interest in learning, but only in succeeding. Which is very fucking worthless, and dangerous.

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            • 30p87@feddit.org3 [email protected]

              Also not without ML. Especially in university you don't learn out of obligation anymore, you learn to actually acquire new skills. As soon as you let someone else or an LLM do that, you're very clearly showing that you don't actually have any interest in learning, but only in succeeding. Which is very fucking worthless, and dangerous.

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              I wish people were so informed about online toxicity like you are about studying.

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              • R [email protected]

                it is snake oil in the sense that it is being sold as "AI", which it isn't. It is dangerous because LLMs can be used for targeted manipulation of millions if not billions of people.

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                ban photoshop too

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                • C [email protected]

                  Yeah, I do worry about that. We haven't seen much in the way of propaganda bots or even LLM scams, but the potential is there.

                  Hopefully, people will learn to be skeptical they way they did with photoshopped photos, and not the way they didn't with where their data is going.

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                  Evidence says people aren't skeptical for the most part and LLMs are good enough to fool all of us some of the time and some of us all of the time 😞

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                  • A [email protected]

                    WTF? 300? There were barely 350 people in my graduating class of high school and that isn’t a small class for where I am from. The largest class size at my college was maybe 60. No wonder people use LLMs. Like, that’s just called an auditorium at that point, how could you even ask a question? Self-guided isn’t supposed to mean “solo”.

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                    There'd be smaller tutorial sessions. I'd have a once a week 5 on 1 session with my tutor for an hour. Lab sessions might be 30-40 people. Specialist courses would be 100 people.

                    ...but yes, lectures were 300+ people for the core subjects. Generally you and your peers would work together on making sense of it all. You'd find that some people understood some subjects better than others and you'd help each other out.

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                    • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                      Guardian investigation finds almost 7,000 proven cases of cheating – and experts says these are tip of the iceberg

                      Thousands of university students in the UK have been caught misusing ChatGPT and other artificial intelligence tools in recent years, while traditional forms of plagiarism show a marked decline, a Guardian investigation can reveal.

                      A survey of academic integrity violations found almost 7,000 proven cases of cheating using AI tools in 2023-24, equivalent to 5.1 for every 1,000 students. That was up from 1.6 cases per 1,000 in 2022-23.

                      Figures up to May suggest that number will increase again this year to about 7.5 proven cases per 1,000 students – but recorded cases represent only the tip of the iceberg, according to experts.

                      The data highlights a rapidly evolving challenge for universities: trying to adapt assessment methods to the advent of technologies such as ChatGPT and other AI-powered writing tools.

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                      Three magic words - "Open Note Exam"

                      Students prep their own notes (usually limited to "X pages"), take them into the exam, gets to use them for answering questions.

                      Tests application and understanding over recall. If students AI their notes, they will be useless.

                      Been running my exams as open note for 3 years now - so far so good. Students are happy, I don't have to worry about cheating, and the university remains permanently angry because they want everything to be coursework so everyone gets an AI A ^_^

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                      • A [email protected]

                        You can ask questions in auditorium classes.

                        I am going to be honest; I don’t believe you. I genuinely don’t believe that in a class with more people than minutes in the session that a person could legitimately have time to interact with the professor.

                        The 60 person class I referred to was a required lecture portion freshman science class with a smaller lab portion. That we could ask questions in the lab was the only reason 60 people was okay in the lecture and even then the professor said he felt it was too many people.

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                        Your disbelief is strange.

                        People occasionally ask questions in lectures. Anything they are confused about gets covered off in tutorials later. Lecturers and tutors both have office hours where further questions are asked.

                        If a student has learning difficulties or special requirements there is pastoral care available for that.

                        It's really not mysterious.

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                        • D [email protected]

                          we're doomed

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                          We are indeed. Not looking forward to my old age, where doctors, accountants, and engineers cheated their way into being qualified by using a glorified autocorrect.

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                          • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                            Guardian investigation finds almost 7,000 proven cases of cheating – and experts says these are tip of the iceberg

                            Thousands of university students in the UK have been caught misusing ChatGPT and other artificial intelligence tools in recent years, while traditional forms of plagiarism show a marked decline, a Guardian investigation can reveal.

                            A survey of academic integrity violations found almost 7,000 proven cases of cheating using AI tools in 2023-24, equivalent to 5.1 for every 1,000 students. That was up from 1.6 cases per 1,000 in 2022-23.

                            Figures up to May suggest that number will increase again this year to about 7.5 proven cases per 1,000 students – but recorded cases represent only the tip of the iceberg, according to experts.

                            The data highlights a rapidly evolving challenge for universities: trying to adapt assessment methods to the advent of technologies such as ChatGPT and other AI-powered writing tools.

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                            Not from UK and also not a student, but imo this is more a school problem than the students. The teachers just do not understand how to cope with AI. With open note exam and traditional exam style questions, I would be an idiot if I do use AI.

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                            • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                              Guardian investigation finds almost 7,000 proven cases of cheating – and experts says these are tip of the iceberg

                              Thousands of university students in the UK have been caught misusing ChatGPT and other artificial intelligence tools in recent years, while traditional forms of plagiarism show a marked decline, a Guardian investigation can reveal.

                              A survey of academic integrity violations found almost 7,000 proven cases of cheating using AI tools in 2023-24, equivalent to 5.1 for every 1,000 students. That was up from 1.6 cases per 1,000 in 2022-23.

                              Figures up to May suggest that number will increase again this year to about 7.5 proven cases per 1,000 students – but recorded cases represent only the tip of the iceberg, according to experts.

                              The data highlights a rapidly evolving challenge for universities: trying to adapt assessment methods to the advent of technologies such as ChatGPT and other AI-powered writing tools.

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                              It's not cheating, it's vibe studying

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                              • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                                Guardian investigation finds almost 7,000 proven cases of cheating – and experts says these are tip of the iceberg

                                Thousands of university students in the UK have been caught misusing ChatGPT and other artificial intelligence tools in recent years, while traditional forms of plagiarism show a marked decline, a Guardian investigation can reveal.

                                A survey of academic integrity violations found almost 7,000 proven cases of cheating using AI tools in 2023-24, equivalent to 5.1 for every 1,000 students. That was up from 1.6 cases per 1,000 in 2022-23.

                                Figures up to May suggest that number will increase again this year to about 7.5 proven cases per 1,000 students – but recorded cases represent only the tip of the iceberg, according to experts.

                                The data highlights a rapidly evolving challenge for universities: trying to adapt assessment methods to the advent of technologies such as ChatGPT and other AI-powered writing tools.

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                                If using ChatGPT for tests is cheating, I’d argue calculators are cheating for math.. it’s just another tool at people’s disposal as far as I’m concerned.

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                                • S [email protected]

                                  If using ChatGPT for tests is cheating, I’d argue calculators are cheating for math.. it’s just another tool at people’s disposal as far as I’m concerned.

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                                  Really? A calculator only puts out what you put in.

                                  A LLM gives you what has been put into it by it's massive illegally scraped training dataset.

                                  A better question would be is there a point to closed book/non-reference material exams, and in that setting is there a place for LLMs?

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                                  • S [email protected]

                                    If using ChatGPT for tests is cheating, I’d argue calculators are cheating for math.. it’s just another tool at people’s disposal as far as I’m concerned.

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                                    How can you be so dense?

                                    Using a calculator for math is cheating unless it has been explicitly allowed. Which it isn't until higher grades because before that, people are supposed to do math without a calculator. Which they should do to get a proper understanding about the subject.

                                    The same holds for literally any tool. If the goal is to get the students to be able to convincingly communicate their thoughts or to see if they understood a topic by making them explain it, having them use chatgpt accomplished nothing and just wastes everybody's time. If the goal is to see if they can produce enough bullshit to satisfy an average public administration, then letting them use llms might be valid. Just like any other tool, it's legitimate to allow llms or not, based on whatever is supposed to end up in a student's head. But using it without it being allowed is cheating, simple as that.

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                                    • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                                      Guardian investigation finds almost 7,000 proven cases of cheating – and experts says these are tip of the iceberg

                                      Thousands of university students in the UK have been caught misusing ChatGPT and other artificial intelligence tools in recent years, while traditional forms of plagiarism show a marked decline, a Guardian investigation can reveal.

                                      A survey of academic integrity violations found almost 7,000 proven cases of cheating using AI tools in 2023-24, equivalent to 5.1 for every 1,000 students. That was up from 1.6 cases per 1,000 in 2022-23.

                                      Figures up to May suggest that number will increase again this year to about 7.5 proven cases per 1,000 students – but recorded cases represent only the tip of the iceberg, according to experts.

                                      The data highlights a rapidly evolving challenge for universities: trying to adapt assessment methods to the advent of technologies such as ChatGPT and other AI-powered writing tools.

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                                      No shit. I’m in postsecondary as an instructor and it is so beyond frustrating . They all use it, they don’t want to read or learn.

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                                      • P [email protected]

                                        The certificate is valuable i suppose, lot of job required that cert to even get a glance with the application. After that, they just gonna try their luck with bullshitting and sucking up to their higher up.

                                        Or maybe they just like the university life and doesn't want to look like they're slacking for another few years.

                                        Either way, yikes.

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                                        employers often dont check, they look for certificate, x years of experience,,,etc.

                                        only certain jobs require more scrutiny though.

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                                        • S [email protected]

                                          If using ChatGPT for tests is cheating, I’d argue calculators are cheating for math.. it’s just another tool at people’s disposal as far as I’m concerned.

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                                          calculators isnt a computer where you can search up the answers lol. its literally plug in a formula and numbers and it spits out whatever you input, it doesnt give you the answer to a question. Also many math questions are abstracts, so you have to discern the correct forumla/mathematics to use.

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