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Trump, Netanyahu and Khamenei – three angry old men who could get us all killed

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  • N [email protected]

    Desperately clinging to the illusion that USA good

    You are either being dishonest or have bad reading comprehension. The OP clearly labels Trump as part of the problem, alongside Netanyahu and Khameini. They also blame Israel for escalating with Iran when talks were still ongoing. They are not saying what you claim they are.

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    I think it's probably that Americans only do this "both sides are to blame" when their side is the one to blame

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    • V [email protected]

      Who knows for sure? But we can assume that Putin had something to do with Hamas launching the strike just by the fact how much it helped him. It did cause half of the world to turn their eyes away from Ukraine, to believe that Gaza is now the most important crisis on this planet.

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      But we can assume that Putin had something to do with Hamas launching the strike just by the fact how much it helped him.

      This is like a parody of what a BlueAnon liberal would say, my god

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      • H [email protected]

        Putin is by far the worst one.

        Neither Netanyahu nor Khamenei have the capacity for war the way the other 2 have.

        And Putin already has achieved what Trump wants to achieve: being a dictator with full control of the state.

        Oh how much the world would improve if all 4 of them suddenly get a bullet between the eyes.

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        #69

        Putin is by far the worst one.

        Only if you believe that white lives are far more valuable than non-white lives

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          Of course I do? My only statement is that I wouldn't be sad if a rocket happened to hit Khamenei. Never gonna shed a tear for a tyrant, even if it was my other enemy that caused his downfall.

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          Would you take the same view if Iranian rockets started killing Zionist politicians in Europe?

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          • K [email protected]

            I don't even know my family because we can't travel to the country 😀 so you tell me how unjustified my hatred for this regime is. I don't want any civilian Iranians - and especially my family - to die from Israhelli bombs, but doesn't change the fact I'm gonna smile if Khamenei catches one, replaced by another moron or not.

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            Would you smile if Macron or Starmer caught an Iranian rocket?

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            • K [email protected]

              Oh absolutely, this one is on Israel for sure. Just important to note that it's not like the Iranian regime is made up of pacifists

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              Israel and the US would like my very much if it was made of pacifists

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              • blackmist@feddit.ukB [email protected]

                Yes, I'm sure a nation with huge oil and gas reserves wants nuclear just to have very expensive energy.

                They want nuclear weapons to prevent regime change due to external interference. Russia can't protect them. There's no NATO style protection for Russian allies. I think we're only seeing this now because of how weak Russia is on the global stage.

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                Sounds like they should have a nuke

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                • dragonsidedd@lemmy.mlD [email protected]

                  Despite having nuclear weapons and not being a party to the NPT, Israel has never threatened to use them.

                  Unlike Iran and most of its neighbors which threaten to destroy Israel every chance they get.

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                  With Zionists, every accusation is a confession

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                  • R [email protected]

                    Why would a population living under a military occupation since 1967 do such a thing? And why would the world see a genocide as the most important crisis?

                    Putin, of course.

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                    You're biased, based on your handle. You think Gaza is important.

                    I'm also biased, because I live next to Russia. I think defending against Russia in the current situation is much more important than anything that could happen in Gaza. And if you want to take the historical perspective, Russia has violated my country and the people of my country several times during the last 300 years at least, and probably more. Middle East obviously has the potential to beat us on the historical record, given how the whole of human civilization practically rose in that area, but still. It's not like this is happening for the first time over here either.

                    It's not that I don't care about their tragedies, it's just that it's nowhere near a top priority right now. If Russia stops being a crazy asshole, things farther away from my country's borders may become more important to me. Still, note that if what I'm suggesting is true, Putin and Russia are partially to blame about what's happening In Gaza. With a handle like yours, you probably cared about Gaza already before Putin's manipulations, but half of the eyes of the lefties in west were looking at Ukraine. They are not looking at Ukraine anymore, like they should be doing.

                    Truth to be told, geopolitically speaking it seems much more sane to be on Israel's side because they're against Iran, who's on Russia's side. And Palestine seems to be kinda on Russia's side as well so remind me again why I should support them at all?

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                    • M [email protected]

                      Ah yes, blame all three even though its been clearly israel and Netanyahu who have been beating the war drums for 30+ years. Israel has been talking about Iran developing a nuke for 30 years and saying that "its around the corner". Israel did the same with Iraq btw and dragged the US to war.

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                      You mean unlike the islamic dictatorship that was founded with an objective to destroy Israel?

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                        Would you smile if Macron or Starmer caught an Iranian rocket?

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                        Don't know if Starmer's been directly terrible enough yet that I have such a negative view on him to directly smile, but I won't shed a tear for any warmongerer.

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                          Would you take the same view if Iranian rockets started killing Zionist politicians in Europe?

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                          And it doesn't hit regular people to a significant degree? That'd be great actually. Could they potentially hit some oligarchs and far-right morons as well?

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                            You mean unlike the islamic dictatorship that was founded with an objective to destroy Israel?

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                            Oh no, another "we are the victim" comment

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                              Don't know if Starmer's been directly terrible enough yet that I have such a negative view on him to directly smile, but I won't shed a tear for any warmongerer.

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                              He's actively supported the genocide in Gaza, for one thing

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                                And it doesn't hit regular people to a significant degree? That'd be great actually. Could they potentially hit some oligarchs and far-right morons as well?

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                                And it doesn’t hit regular people to a significant degree?

                                Yeah, not a significant degree, just a few families.

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                                  He's actively supported the genocide in Gaza, for one thing

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                                  Then why would I be sad if he was hit?

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                                  • H [email protected]

                                    This was not inevitable. This is a war Israel chose. It could have been prevented. Diplomatic talks were ongoing when the bombers took off for Iran. Israel’s continuing, illegal, unjustified airstrikes are unlikely to achieve their stated aim – permanently ending Tehran’s presumed efforts to build nuclear weapons – and may accelerate it. They must stop now. Likewise, Iran must halt its retaliation immediately and drop its escalatory threats to attack US and UK bases.

                                    This conflict is not limited, as was the case last year, to tit-for-tat exchanges and “precision strikes” on a narrow range of military targets. It’s reached a wholly different level. Potentially nothing is off the table. Civilians are being killed on both sides. Leaders are targets. The rhetoric is out of control. With Israel fighting on several fronts, and Iran’s battered regime backed against a wall, the Middle East is closer than ever to a disastrous conflagration.

                                    Reasons can always be found to go to war. The roots of major conflicts often reach back decades – and this is true of the Israel-Iran vendetta, which dates to the 1979 Islamic revolution. The so-called “shadow war” between the two intensified in recent years. Yet all-out conflict had been avoided, until now. So who is principally to blame for this sudden, unprecedented explosion?

                                    Answer: three angry old men whose behaviour raises serious doubts about their judgment, common sense, motives and even their sanity.

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                                    Great man theory nonsense. Was Netanyahu in power during the Sabra and Shatila massacre? During the Nakba? During the June 1967 war? Was Trump president when the US invaded Iraq? Was he president when the US sent billions of dollars in military aid to Israel to commit their genocide with? It's the countries, not the leaders. They're just the personification of a system. You could shoot each of these men in the head today, and nothing would change.

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                                    • H [email protected]

                                      This was not inevitable. This is a war Israel chose. It could have been prevented. Diplomatic talks were ongoing when the bombers took off for Iran. Israel’s continuing, illegal, unjustified airstrikes are unlikely to achieve their stated aim – permanently ending Tehran’s presumed efforts to build nuclear weapons – and may accelerate it. They must stop now. Likewise, Iran must halt its retaliation immediately and drop its escalatory threats to attack US and UK bases.

                                      This conflict is not limited, as was the case last year, to tit-for-tat exchanges and “precision strikes” on a narrow range of military targets. It’s reached a wholly different level. Potentially nothing is off the table. Civilians are being killed on both sides. Leaders are targets. The rhetoric is out of control. With Israel fighting on several fronts, and Iran’s battered regime backed against a wall, the Middle East is closer than ever to a disastrous conflagration.

                                      Reasons can always be found to go to war. The roots of major conflicts often reach back decades – and this is true of the Israel-Iran vendetta, which dates to the 1979 Islamic revolution. The so-called “shadow war” between the two intensified in recent years. Yet all-out conflict had been avoided, until now. So who is principally to blame for this sudden, unprecedented explosion?

                                      Answer: three angry old men whose behaviour raises serious doubts about their judgment, common sense, motives and even their sanity.

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                                      What an insanely stupid article. Israel bombs Iran completely unprovoked. Khamenei and Iran are incredibly responsible and measured in their response. Meanwhile Israel is flailing around like a wild bully with their American big brother behind its back, threatening Iran that they are not allowed to strike back

                                      And the liberals from TheGuardian write a both sides article about it as if all parties share blame.

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                                      • H [email protected]

                                        This was not inevitable. This is a war Israel chose. It could have been prevented. Diplomatic talks were ongoing when the bombers took off for Iran. Israel’s continuing, illegal, unjustified airstrikes are unlikely to achieve their stated aim – permanently ending Tehran’s presumed efforts to build nuclear weapons – and may accelerate it. They must stop now. Likewise, Iran must halt its retaliation immediately and drop its escalatory threats to attack US and UK bases.

                                        This conflict is not limited, as was the case last year, to tit-for-tat exchanges and “precision strikes” on a narrow range of military targets. It’s reached a wholly different level. Potentially nothing is off the table. Civilians are being killed on both sides. Leaders are targets. The rhetoric is out of control. With Israel fighting on several fronts, and Iran’s battered regime backed against a wall, the Middle East is closer than ever to a disastrous conflagration.

                                        Reasons can always be found to go to war. The roots of major conflicts often reach back decades – and this is true of the Israel-Iran vendetta, which dates to the 1979 Islamic revolution. The so-called “shadow war” between the two intensified in recent years. Yet all-out conflict had been avoided, until now. So who is principally to blame for this sudden, unprecedented explosion?

                                        Answer: three angry old men whose behaviour raises serious doubts about their judgment, common sense, motives and even their sanity.

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                                        you know it's bad when western MSM is both-siding it

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                                        • D [email protected]

                                          Oh no, another "we are the victim" comment

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                                          I'm definitely not a victim. But pretending that Iran is somehow morally superior to Israel is fucking laughable.

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