Trump, Netanyahu and Khamenei – three angry old men who could get us all killed
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How is Putin worse than Netanyahu? Just compare the children death toll in Palestine vs. Ukraine.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]putin just kidnaps children and converts them to be Russian to fight in his wars.
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Which non-white lives? The ones in Ukraine?
The ones in Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, and Iran. That should have been obvious, but you forgot that those non-Ukrainian people even existed.
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putin just kidnaps children and converts them to be Russian to fight in his wars.
Which, while bad, is still vastly superior to just straight up exterminating them.
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But we can assume that Putin had something to do with Hamas launching the strike just by the fact how much it helped him.
This is like a parody of what a BlueAnon liberal would say, my god
With all the awful manipulation putin and the Russian state have done in the world play, I would be surprised if they didn't have a hand in Hamas.
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You're biased, based on your handle. You think Gaza is important.
I'm also biased, because I live next to Russia. I think defending against Russia in the current situation is much more important than anything that could happen in Gaza. And if you want to take the historical perspective, Russia has violated my country and the people of my country several times during the last 300 years at least, and probably more. Middle East obviously has the potential to beat us on the historical record, given how the whole of human civilization practically rose in that area, but still. It's not like this is happening for the first time over here either.
It's not that I don't care about their tragedies, it's just that it's nowhere near a top priority right now. If Russia stops being a crazy asshole, things farther away from my country's borders may become more important to me. Still, note that if what I'm suggesting is true, Putin and Russia are partially to blame about what's happening In Gaza. With a handle like yours, you probably cared about Gaza already before Putin's manipulations, but half of the eyes of the lefties in west were looking at Ukraine. They are not looking at Ukraine anymore, like they should be doing.
Truth to be told, geopolitically speaking it seems much more sane to be on Israel's side because they're against Iran, who's on Russia's side. And Palestine seems to be kinda on Russia's side as well so remind me again why I should support them at all?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]You’re biased, based on your handle. You think Gaza is important.
Well at least liberals are being open in their belief that only white people matter...
But you're literally a Gaza genocide supporter, so maybe you're more of a fascist than a liberal.
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With all the awful manipulation putin and the Russian state have done in the world play, I would be surprised if they didn't have a hand in Hamas.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yup, that is indeed a Qanon tier conspiracy theory. Liberals literally just reinventing the Judeo–Bolshevik conspiracy theory to blame Russia for those dirty browns fighting back against being genocided.
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Then why would I be sad if he was hit?
You shouldn't, I'm just not used to people being consistent about this kind of thing.
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What an insanely stupid article. Israel bombs Iran completely unprovoked. Khamenei and Iran are incredibly responsible and measured in their response. Meanwhile Israel is flailing around like a wild bully with their American big brother behind its back, threatening Iran that they are not allowed to strike back
And the liberals from TheGuardian write a both sides article about it as if all parties share blame.
The Ayatollah regime that has been building and funding terrorist proxies for years, that has a bloody countdown timer for the destruction of Israel in the middle it Tehran?
The same regime who is, pretty obviously, rushing toward military nuclear capabilities in order to fulfill said countdown?
You're saying that they haven't provoked Israel?And you really think that firing drones and ballistic missiles at civilian populations is a measured response?
Fuck off with that bullshit.
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putin just kidnaps children and converts them to be Russian to fight in his wars.
Good thing Israel never kidnapped children.
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You shouldn't, I'm just not used to people being consistent about this kind of thing.
Fair enough. I may be a jerk sometimes or have edgy takes, but I'm consistent in my contempt for repressive regimes and authorities.
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Great man theory nonsense. Was Netanyahu in power during the Sabra and Shatila massacre? During the Nakba? During the June 1967 war? Was Trump president when the US invaded Iraq? Was he president when the US sent billions of dollars in military aid to Israel to commit their genocide with? It's the countries, not the leaders. They're just the personification of a system. You could shoot each of these men in the head today, and nothing would change.
There are actually some differences here. After the Cold War ended Israel was making some peace deals. The Oslo Accords(1993 and 1995) and a deal with Jordan 1994 were big parts of that. In 1996 Netanyahu came to power and basically all of that stopped. There was a bit with Ariel Sharon being in power, when Israel gave up its settlement in the Gaza strip. Netanyahu was not prime minister all the time, but he was in government and more often then not in position to sabotage that. The only time he failed was Ariel Sharon ordering to close the Jewish settlements in Gaza. He is really the main reason there is no somewhat working two state solution today.
Trump currently sents billions of aid to Israel to commit genocide AND fight a war within Iran. So yes he is that president. Biden at least used the US military to send some food to Gaza, Trump stopped that.
Khamenei is the leader of Iran since 1989. He is hardly innocent of supporting the Assad clan, destroying democracy in Lebanon by supporting Hezbollah, massive war crimes in Sudan happening right now, with the biggest starvation crisis in the world, although not as hard as Gaza, the huge civil war in Yemen and so forth. Keep in mind that before the Iranian revolution Israel and Iran were very close allies. They even developed fighter jets together. Point is that both countries are not natural enemies.
At least two of those men have formed their respective countries and systems for decades. If you killed Netanyahu today, then it would mean a new election and likely a win for the liberals, which is usually good news for Palastinians. If you killed Khamenei today, then there is a pretty good chance, that the infighting would end the Islamic Republic. Iran has had some massive protests in the last couple years. If you kill Trump, then the Vance ends up president and he lacks the charisma of Trump and is not even directly elected.
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Khamenei maybe an angry old man considering his country is facing an existential threat but Netanyahu is a wanted war criminal and Trump is a rapist with nefarious ties to the notorious Epstein
In any other country, Khamenei would be considered a pedophile.
You know, the whole marrying children business.
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I'm definitely not a victim. But pretending that Iran is somehow morally superior to Israel is fucking laughable.
The Iranian regime is also criminal. When it comes to civilians however, the Israelis are far more criminal. They are settlers who steal other peoples land, they participate and actively endorse genocide. 82% of them want to ethnically cleansed Gaza.
We need a de-zionisation like we had de-nazification.
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The Iranian regime is also criminal. When it comes to civilians however, the Israelis are far more criminal. They are settlers who steal other peoples land, they participate and actively endorse genocide. 82% of them want to ethnically cleansed Gaza.
We need a de-zionisation like we had de-nazification.
Yeah, i wouldn't be happy if people came and took my land. The difference between them is that Iran has already done the deed and taken everything from those that aren't Muslims.
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This was not inevitable. This is a war Israel chose. It could have been prevented. Diplomatic talks were ongoing when the bombers took off for Iran. Israel’s continuing, illegal, unjustified airstrikes are unlikely to achieve their stated aim – permanently ending Tehran’s presumed efforts to build nuclear weapons – and may accelerate it. They must stop now. Likewise, Iran must halt its retaliation immediately and drop its escalatory threats to attack US and UK bases.
This conflict is not limited, as was the case last year, to tit-for-tat exchanges and “precision strikes” on a narrow range of military targets. It’s reached a wholly different level. Potentially nothing is off the table. Civilians are being killed on both sides. Leaders are targets. The rhetoric is out of control. With Israel fighting on several fronts, and Iran’s battered regime backed against a wall, the Middle East is closer than ever to a disastrous conflagration.
Reasons can always be found to go to war. The roots of major conflicts often reach back decades – and this is true of the Israel-Iran vendetta, which dates to the 1979 Islamic revolution. The so-called “shadow war” between the two intensified in recent years. Yet all-out conflict had been avoided, until now. So who is principally to blame for this sudden, unprecedented explosion?
Answer: three angry old men whose behaviour raises serious doubts about their judgment, common sense, motives and even their sanity.
And Putin (72), and Xi Jing Ping (72)
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Great man theory nonsense. Was Netanyahu in power during the Sabra and Shatila massacre? During the Nakba? During the June 1967 war? Was Trump president when the US invaded Iraq? Was he president when the US sent billions of dollars in military aid to Israel to commit their genocide with? It's the countries, not the leaders. They're just the personification of a system. You could shoot each of these men in the head today, and nothing would change.
Trump, definitely. He's at least too dumb to be evil effectively, I shudder to think where Vance would take things if he decides to keep the MAGA line going.
Netanyahu dying would lead to a collapse of his government and a more moderate faction coming to power and probably ending the wars... for now.
I know less about the internal politics of Iran, although this war they didn't start obviously wouldn't end.
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There are actually some differences here. After the Cold War ended Israel was making some peace deals. The Oslo Accords(1993 and 1995) and a deal with Jordan 1994 were big parts of that. In 1996 Netanyahu came to power and basically all of that stopped. There was a bit with Ariel Sharon being in power, when Israel gave up its settlement in the Gaza strip. Netanyahu was not prime minister all the time, but he was in government and more often then not in position to sabotage that. The only time he failed was Ariel Sharon ordering to close the Jewish settlements in Gaza. He is really the main reason there is no somewhat working two state solution today.
Trump currently sents billions of aid to Israel to commit genocide AND fight a war within Iran. So yes he is that president. Biden at least used the US military to send some food to Gaza, Trump stopped that.
Khamenei is the leader of Iran since 1989. He is hardly innocent of supporting the Assad clan, destroying democracy in Lebanon by supporting Hezbollah, massive war crimes in Sudan happening right now, with the biggest starvation crisis in the world, although not as hard as Gaza, the huge civil war in Yemen and so forth. Keep in mind that before the Iranian revolution Israel and Iran were very close allies. They even developed fighter jets together. Point is that both countries are not natural enemies.
At least two of those men have formed their respective countries and systems for decades. If you killed Netanyahu today, then it would mean a new election and likely a win for the liberals, which is usually good news for Palastinians. If you killed Khamenei today, then there is a pretty good chance, that the infighting would end the Islamic Republic. Iran has had some massive protests in the last couple years. If you kill Trump, then the Vance ends up president and he lacks the charisma of Trump and is not even directly elected.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Do you really think Trump's supporters would suddenly support Democrats, and, do you really think a power vacuum in Iran would make the Middle East more peaceful?
Similarly, don't skip over the part where the Oslo process ended when Netanyahu's current cabinet had Rabin assassinated. Natanyahu is a linchpin, but the right exists independent of him, and the left is still pretty anti-Palestinian.
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What an insanely stupid article. Israel bombs Iran completely unprovoked. Khamenei and Iran are incredibly responsible and measured in their response. Meanwhile Israel is flailing around like a wild bully with their American big brother behind its back, threatening Iran that they are not allowed to strike back
And the liberals from TheGuardian write a both sides article about it as if all parties share blame.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]If Israel has a right to defend itself, what does (still awful government of) Iran have?
I guess blaming Netanyahu and Trump only would have lead to too much blowback. The Guardian really doesn't seem like it's the same anymore.
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The Ayatollah regime that has been building and funding terrorist proxies for years, that has a bloody countdown timer for the destruction of Israel in the middle it Tehran?
The same regime who is, pretty obviously, rushing toward military nuclear capabilities in order to fulfill said countdown?
You're saying that they haven't provoked Israel?And you really think that firing drones and ballistic missiles at civilian populations is a measured response?
Fuck off with that bullshit.
Cool whataboutisms. Yes, Iran is shitty. No, Israel didn't have to do this. Yes, it's a great strategy to regain support for the Likud coalition government and not go to prison for corruption.
And you really think that firing drones and ballistic missiles at civilian populations is a measured response?
Pardon, which county are we talking about here?
Iran at least has the excuse that their missiles can't aim that well.
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I'm definitely not a victim. But pretending that Iran is somehow morally superior to Israel is fucking laughable.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Morally superior, probably not. Causing less geopolitical problems and starting less unprovoked wars, definitely. At least right now.
