Trump, Netanyahu and Khamenei – three angry old men who could get us all killed
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For me it's about being realistic. Iran is never gonna defeat Israel as long as the Americans support them. You're right that Iran will never flourish because the powers won't ever allow it - Israel, USA, Western Europe, Saudi Arabia, sometimes Turkey.. puppet or not, I'm not gonna support the devil I know just because I can't know what happens in the time after.
So do you agree that Israel should stop the war then Iranians themselves decide to overthrow the regime?
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So do you agree that Israel should stop the war then Iranians themselves decide to overthrow the regime?
Of course I do? My only statement is that I wouldn't be sad if a rocket happened to hit Khamenei. Never gonna shed a tear for a tyrant, even if it was my other enemy that caused his downfall.
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Of course I do? My only statement is that I wouldn't be sad if a rocket happened to hit Khamenei. Never gonna shed a tear for a tyrant, even if it was my other enemy that caused his downfall.
If Khamenei die , it will be replaced by another. In the process of trying to kill Khamenei ton of civilians will die. Are you ready for the rest of your family who are still in Iran to risk dying in the process?
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If Khamenei die , it will be replaced by another. In the process of trying to kill Khamenei ton of civilians will die. Are you ready for the rest of your family who are still in Iran to risk dying in the process?
I don't even know my family because we can't travel to the country
so you tell me how unjustified my hatred for this regime is. I don't want any civilian Iranians - and especially my family - to die from Israhelli bombs, but doesn't change the fact I'm gonna smile if Khamenei catches one, replaced by another moron or not. -
I don't even know my family because we can't travel to the country
so you tell me how unjustified my hatred for this regime is. I don't want any civilian Iranians - and especially my family - to die from Israhelli bombs, but doesn't change the fact I'm gonna smile if Khamenei catches one, replaced by another moron or not.I am not critizing your hate for the regime. I am critizing your lack of empathy for all the iranians that will get murdred in the process of killing khamenei. How about wishing that he will die a painful natural death instead?
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I am not critizing your hate for the regime. I am critizing your lack of empathy for all the iranians that will get murdred in the process of killing khamenei. How about wishing that he will die a painful natural death instead?
I'm a bit too angry, I agree with you, especially with the clear escalations in Israhelli attacks now. I don't want any Iranians to die due to Bibi and his fascists. I'll reconsider by rhetoric in the future and just wish for Khamenei and Bibi to get sudden heart malfunctions.
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This was not inevitable. This is a war Israel chose. It could have been prevented. Diplomatic talks were ongoing when the bombers took off for Iran. Israel’s continuing, illegal, unjustified airstrikes are unlikely to achieve their stated aim – permanently ending Tehran’s presumed efforts to build nuclear weapons – and may accelerate it. They must stop now. Likewise, Iran must halt its retaliation immediately and drop its escalatory threats to attack US and UK bases.
This conflict is not limited, as was the case last year, to tit-for-tat exchanges and “precision strikes” on a narrow range of military targets. It’s reached a wholly different level. Potentially nothing is off the table. Civilians are being killed on both sides. Leaders are targets. The rhetoric is out of control. With Israel fighting on several fronts, and Iran’s battered regime backed against a wall, the Middle East is closer than ever to a disastrous conflagration.
Reasons can always be found to go to war. The roots of major conflicts often reach back decades – and this is true of the Israel-Iran vendetta, which dates to the 1979 Islamic revolution. The so-called “shadow war” between the two intensified in recent years. Yet all-out conflict had been avoided, until now. So who is principally to blame for this sudden, unprecedented explosion?
Answer: three angry old men whose behaviour raises serious doubts about their judgment, common sense, motives and even their sanity.
The thing is, there are people who need to be killed, and we just can't agree on who. And the people who say no one are the worst of all. Let's make some progress in this world.
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No doubt Israel started this iteration but to say that Iran doesn't want war is viewing the regime too favourably. Of course they don't want war on Iranian territory - but they do want to directly sponsor Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, al-Assad (until he fell), and other mostly Shia militias while severely oppressing their own population - especially minorities. Fuck Israel but it's not like Iran comes with peaceful intentions. My parents fled from this regime, and while virtually no Iranian supports Israel's actions or wants war, most of us wouldn't shed a single tear if the entire regime were wiped out.
Empire has been attacking Iran for centuries. The current state is a direct result of imperial violence. Iran has had no choice but to defend itself for decades.
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For me it's about being realistic. Iran is never gonna defeat Israel as long as the Americans support them. You're right that Iran will never flourish because the powers won't ever allow it - Israel, USA, Western Europe, Saudi Arabia, sometimes Turkey.. puppet or not, I'm not gonna support the devil I know just because I can't know what happens in the time after.
You're supporting the devil right now.
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Because they know they'll lose it as things currently stand.
That's why they've been trying to build nukes.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Gotta be a complete idiot not to build nukes when a rogue genocidal cult is constantly threatening to nuke you.
A nuclear Iran is one of the only hopes for peace.
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Yes, I'm sure a nation with huge oil and gas reserves wants nuclear just to have very expensive energy.
They want nuclear weapons to prevent regime change due to external interference. Russia can't protect them. There's no NATO style protection for Russian allies. I think we're only seeing this now because of how weak Russia is on the global stage.
external interference
I think you mean western imperialism and genocidal zionism which have been attacking Iran for decades/centuries.
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This was not inevitable. This is a war Israel chose. It could have been prevented. Diplomatic talks were ongoing when the bombers took off for Iran. Israel’s continuing, illegal, unjustified airstrikes are unlikely to achieve their stated aim – permanently ending Tehran’s presumed efforts to build nuclear weapons – and may accelerate it. They must stop now. Likewise, Iran must halt its retaliation immediately and drop its escalatory threats to attack US and UK bases.
This conflict is not limited, as was the case last year, to tit-for-tat exchanges and “precision strikes” on a narrow range of military targets. It’s reached a wholly different level. Potentially nothing is off the table. Civilians are being killed on both sides. Leaders are targets. The rhetoric is out of control. With Israel fighting on several fronts, and Iran’s battered regime backed against a wall, the Middle East is closer than ever to a disastrous conflagration.
Reasons can always be found to go to war. The roots of major conflicts often reach back decades – and this is true of the Israel-Iran vendetta, which dates to the 1979 Islamic revolution. The so-called “shadow war” between the two intensified in recent years. Yet all-out conflict had been avoided, until now. So who is principally to blame for this sudden, unprecedented explosion?
Answer: three angry old men whose behaviour raises serious doubts about their judgment, common sense, motives and even their sanity.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Peak liberal both sidesism. Desperately clinging to the illusion that USA good, Iran bad. This is a big part of why we have genocide against palestinians and trump in office.
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Why should Israel have nuclear weapons but not Iran?
Israel is an ally of the USA but Iran is violently hostile to the USA.
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This was not inevitable. This is a war Israel chose. It could have been prevented. Diplomatic talks were ongoing when the bombers took off for Iran. Israel’s continuing, illegal, unjustified airstrikes are unlikely to achieve their stated aim – permanently ending Tehran’s presumed efforts to build nuclear weapons – and may accelerate it. They must stop now. Likewise, Iran must halt its retaliation immediately and drop its escalatory threats to attack US and UK bases.
This conflict is not limited, as was the case last year, to tit-for-tat exchanges and “precision strikes” on a narrow range of military targets. It’s reached a wholly different level. Potentially nothing is off the table. Civilians are being killed on both sides. Leaders are targets. The rhetoric is out of control. With Israel fighting on several fronts, and Iran’s battered regime backed against a wall, the Middle East is closer than ever to a disastrous conflagration.
Reasons can always be found to go to war. The roots of major conflicts often reach back decades – and this is true of the Israel-Iran vendetta, which dates to the 1979 Islamic revolution. The so-called “shadow war” between the two intensified in recent years. Yet all-out conflict had been avoided, until now. So who is principally to blame for this sudden, unprecedented explosion?
Answer: three angry old men whose behaviour raises serious doubts about their judgment, common sense, motives and even their sanity.
Ah yes, blame all three even though its been clearly israel and Netanyahu who have been beating the war drums for 30+ years. Israel has been talking about Iran developing a nuke for 30 years and saying that "its around the corner". Israel did the same with Iraq btw and dragged the US to war.
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Putin is by far the worst one.
Neither Netanyahu nor Khamenei have the capacity for war the way the other 2 have.
And Putin already has achieved what Trump wants to achieve: being a dictator with full control of the state.
Oh how much the world would improve if all 4 of them suddenly get a bullet between the eyes.
They would immediately get replaced with someone just as bad if not worse. The world has an endless supply of power hungry warmongering assholes.
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That's a fun song (but also obviously silly and wrong).
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Most scientists define wetness as a liquid’s ability to maintain contact with a solid surface, meaning that water itself is not wet, but can make other sensation.
But if you define wet as ‘made of liquid or moisture’, as some do, then water and all other liquids can be considered wet.
So... by a highly common definition it is wet. That's not much of a debate.
There are plenty of words that mean different things in scientific contexts that are different from common use. It's like saying "the sky is blue" is a false statement. Yes, there are contexts where the sky isn't blue. At night. On other planets. Perhaps earlier periods in our planet's history. But are we in those contexts right now? And is my meaning ambiguous?
There are a lot of times where language is unclear, and we must work to bridge communication barriers. But to insist on debating things when no genuine confusion is present is just an a bizarre antisocial practice.
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Peak liberal both sidesism. Desperately clinging to the illusion that USA good, Iran bad. This is a big part of why we have genocide against palestinians and trump in office.
Desperately clinging to the illusion that USA good
You are either being dishonest or have bad reading comprehension. The OP clearly labels Trump as part of the problem, alongside Netanyahu and Khameini. They also blame Israel for escalating with Iran when talks were still ongoing. They are not saying what you claim they are.
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Peak liberal both sidesism. Desperately clinging to the illusion that USA good, Iran bad. This is a big part of why we have genocide against palestinians and trump in office.
Where did you read "USA good" in that post?
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Stop pretending like Khamenei isn't a criminal. He's not just an angry old man because they're "facing an existential threat" he's a fuckwad through and through and no Iranian would shed a tear if he was shelled. Israel certainly started this iteration of the conflict but Khamenei and the regime has a rap sheet far longer than Trump's.
Khamenei is a priest. 'Nuff said.
Israel is a theocratic state.
Religious people attacking each other, with normal people in the middle.
Once more, Rome did it first, 900 something years ago.
