How do you look upon the future in regards of climat change? How do you imagine your life in the coming distopie?
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
Wildfire season becomes a thing on the East Coast as Canadian forests burn. People start spending more time indoors in the summer because of it.
The bad time of year shifts from winter to summer as snow becomes rarer and heat waves become common.
Coastal cities near me either harden their coasts or design their cities to not flood. Major tunnels are retrofitted to allow for saltwater intrusion with minimal damage.
More multigenerational homes form as retirees in Florida become climate refugees as several Florida metro areas collapse due to the increased number of hurricanes. They don't call themselves refugees, though.
Several state parks form in the region, created as the state buys out entire communities to intentionally create new freshwater wetlands.
Areas that don't flood see rapid densification as property values skyrocket and single family homes are pushed into apartment buildings like the urbanization of cities in the 19th century.
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this is called 'suicidal thoughts'
Is it?
I wouldn't be the one doing the killing, so I don't think it should count as suicide.
But, I really don't know. Just seems like it should be a different term. Extinctual thoughts, maybe?
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
The last decade has shown us how stupid humans are and how unprepared we are for the complex future that awaits us.
We're fucked.
Enjoy what you can, while you can.
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Ignorantly believing there will be minimal consequences to our unplanned terraform is why we are in this mess. The problem is not simply "climate change". Ecological collapse is a much larger concern. We are significantly altering the chemistry of the entire biosphere; the atmosphere, land and ocean with literally thousands of chemical compounds. We have killed off ~70% of the natural worlds macroscopic organisms over the last 50-100 years, and are already at the point where 95+% of all animal biomass is our livestock. We consider species "not endangered" if there are like 10k of them. Does 10k humans isolated to one geography sound like a healthy, extinction-resistant population?
It's not gonna be 2.7c by 2100. It will be 3-4c. We were told we wouldn't hit 1.5c until ~2035 and we're already there — as I've believed for over a decade, because I actually listen to scientists instead of fossil-fuel-operated political orgs like the IPCC — and we're on track to blow past 2c before 2050. ~25% of all Co2 ever emitted was in the last ~15 years, and another ~25% will be emitted in the next ~15. We can't predict compounding feedback loops we know little about, or any of the many unknown unknowns that are guaranteed to exist.
I'm not saying the world will definitely be a "Mad Max inferno of devastation and death" — the entire natural world has already been through the majority phase of "devastation and death" — but everyone living today would almost certainly consider 2100 to be a dystopia.
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Is it?
I wouldn't be the one doing the killing, so I don't think it should count as suicide.
But, I really don't know. Just seems like it should be a different term. Extinctual thoughts, maybe?
I think it still counts.
Passive suicidal ideation is thinking about not wanting to live or imagining being dead.
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
I can imagine it sabbotaging some very basic thing that our society currently takes for granted (like growing crops) and then even just baseline functioning at our current level would become much harder, causing a global recession.
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Ignorantly believing there will be minimal consequences to our unplanned terraform is why we are in this mess. The problem is not simply "climate change". Ecological collapse is a much larger concern. We are significantly altering the chemistry of the entire biosphere; the atmosphere, land and ocean with literally thousands of chemical compounds. We have killed off ~70% of the natural worlds macroscopic organisms over the last 50-100 years, and are already at the point where 95+% of all animal biomass is our livestock. We consider species "not endangered" if there are like 10k of them. Does 10k humans isolated to one geography sound like a healthy, extinction-resistant population?
It's not gonna be 2.7c by 2100. It will be 3-4c. We were told we wouldn't hit 1.5c until ~2035 and we're already there — as I've believed for over a decade, because I actually listen to scientists instead of fossil-fuel-operated political orgs like the IPCC — and we're on track to blow past 2c before 2050. ~25% of all Co2 ever emitted was in the last ~15 years, and another ~25% will be emitted in the next ~15. We can't predict compounding feedback loops we know little about, or any of the many unknown unknowns that are guaranteed to exist.
I'm not saying the world will definitely be a "Mad Max inferno of devastation and death" — the entire natural world has already been through the majority phase of "devastation and death" — but everyone living today would almost certainly consider 2100 to be a dystopia.
Whoever said the consequences would be "minimal?" I'm saying they won't be apocalyptic. It's not the literal end of the world, as so many people are fretting about. People are deciding not to have children because they think humanity's going to go extinct in a generation or two.
I'm not saying the world will definitely be a "Mad Max inferno of devastation and death"
Well there you go, then.
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People are not having kids because they believe their children will be worse off than they are; that persistent inflation, natural disasters, famine, resource wars, actual wars, austerity, mass migrations, fascism/feudalism are all but guaranteed for a majority of humanity over the next century.
Barely anyone believes or cares about us going completely extinct.
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
wrote last edited by [email protected]Sea rising by 2100 is proyected on 0.6 meters.
And sea rising predictions made in the 90s haven't been the more accurate.
The harmful consequences of climate change have more to do with desertification, hotter summers, more energetic storms. And of course the fear of breaking some oceanic current and send Europe into an ice age.
In general is hard to say what will be that thing that will make people say "ok, we really fucked up". As it's incredibly hard to predict the consequences of such a fast climate variation. Sea level rise was the jam in the 90s early 00s but as predictions fall short on that front and even the worse numbers doesn't look like mass migration number for a few centuries at least, worries are more focused on other things that could happen.
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Stop straw manning, nobody said it will be the apocalypse or the end of the world, they said it would be a dystopia or at the very least pretty shitty to what we have right now.
This is like telling a Roman as the empire is falling: "don't worry it's not the end of the world, sure a barbarian horde might come through every couple years raping, burning and pillaging, but you'll survive"
Natural disasters are gonna get worse, famine and food insecurity are gonna become more common, mass migration causes a lot of social strife. Again going back to the roman example a large reason for the fall was the huns moving into Europe causing cascading migrations that destroyed the empire. All of this sounds pretty dystopic to me, maybe not mad max levels, but definitely parable of the power levels.
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Stop straw manning, nobody said it will be the apocalypse or the end of the world, they said it would be a dystopia or at the very least pretty shitty to what we have right now.
This is like telling a Roman as the empire is falling: "don't worry it's not the end of the world, sure a barbarian horde might come through every couple years raping, burning and pillaging, but you'll survive"
Natural disasters are gonna get worse, famine and food insecurity are gonna become more common, mass migration causes a lot of social strife. Again going back to the roman example a large reason for the fall was the huns moving into Europe causing cascading migrations that destroyed the empire. All of this sounds pretty dystopic to me, maybe not mad max levels, but definitely parable of the power levels.
There are people literally rooting for human extinction in this very thread.
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Is it?
I wouldn't be the one doing the killing, so I don't think it should count as suicide.
But, I really don't know. Just seems like it should be a different term. Extinctual thoughts, maybe?
It definitely is. It's a mental health problem, not a valid environmental or political take.
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As I commented elsewhere, a lot of people in our generation are masking deep seated suicidal fantasies and convincing themselves that they are a valid response to the world around them. That's obviously not good for anybody and makes them just as volatile as the other death cults currently in existence.
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"All opinions other than mine are only supported by dopamine highs" - wow, what a great new way of being condescendingly dismissive!
OP actually left the consequences of climate change open. No, it probably won't be a Mad Max inferno. Probably not. But we also don't know where the tipping point of the oceans is, because they are storing a shit ton of carbon. Hit that tipping point, and that carbon may well suddenly be released into the air, and then the shit hits the fan.
But even if that scenario doesn't happen, and the world is still theoretically perfectly livable, you mentioned one of the main problems: mass migration. We already see what that's doing today. We're not far away from World War 3 anymore. So yes, the question is perfectly legitimate.
(And before anyone thinks it: I'm not blaming the migrants, of course they're not at fault, they have every right to look for a better life. The people at fault are entirely different, but it doesn't change the fact there is a causational relationship)
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As I commented elsewhere, a lot of people in our generation are masking deep seated suicidal fantasies and convincing themselves that they are a valid response to the world around them. That's obviously not good for anybody and makes them just as volatile as the other death cults currently in existence.
And ironically, it makes them quick to reject any attempts to make things better. Why bother attempting solution X when we're all just going to die anyway? Eat, drink, and be merry!
The thing that bothers me a lot about this is how many people oppose even doing research into geoengineering. It's like they fear the possibility that a solution will be found, thus disrupting the conclusions of doom that they've already come to and apparently found some kind of strange comfort in believing.
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I can't speculate to the motivations of random internet users but yeah, committing your identity to a catastrophe of any kind is some serious dysfunction. It's like they have just discovered that the universe is unfair so their naivety demands that it leads to cosmic retribution.
