Donald Trump faces new Articles of Impeachment over Iran strikes
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Maybe I’m remembering wrong, but hasn’t the U.S. gone to war without congressional approval a bunch of times?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yeah the US hasn't offically gone to war since WWII and plenty of military actions haven't had any sort of congressional approval at all.
For all the bollocks Trump has done, this one actually has a very strong precedent and will go nowhere (as hilarious as it would be for something serval presidents have done before him to be the thing to finally bring him down).
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Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat, officially introduced new Articles of Impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday.
"In starting his illegal and unconstitutional war with Iran without the constitutionally mandated consent of Congress or appropriate notice to Congress, President Trump acted in direct violation of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution," Green's articles state.
"President Trump has devolved and continues to devolve American democracy into authoritarianism by disregarding the separation of powers and now usurping congressional war powers."
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Round 3.
Oh look were trying again for the fourth? Fifth? Time. It'll definitely with this time.
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Fetterman is a fucking turncoat bitch
Quote for reference:
Senator John Fetterman, a Pennsylvania Democrat, told Fox News' America's Newsroom: "He's been impeached twice, and now he's still our president as well now too. It's not going anywhere, and I don't think that's helpful. I think if you throw that term around that actually diminishes the severity of what impeachment is really reserved for."
You know what else diminishes the severity of impeachment? Not impeaching impeachable conduct.
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Yes, no, technically, its complicated, because we just... don't call it a 'war' if most of Congress doesn't have a problem with whatever military action the President has unilaterally directed.
Russia has 'special military operation', we have 'temporary, low level peacekeeping operations'... that then become the Vietnam War and last for over a decade... or... Congress has authorized the use of force to go get the Taliban in Afghanistan, but also uh, we're gonna stay there 20 years, with no clear or coherent goal or strategy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution
Basically, uh, War is supposed to only be declared by the Congress, and then the President is supposed to execute said war.
But also, the Preisdent can kinda sorta do some limited military actions without first having a formal Declaration of War... and there isn't total agreement on what exactly those limits are... basically, almost everytime this happens in American history, it nearly causes a Constitutional crisis, or at the very least, a whole bunch of vigorous debate, and there really is no consistent framework or metric for evaluating whether or not the President did something not allowed, at least when looking backwards at history.
It becomes both a political and legal shitshow every time.
And also, Congress can... authorize the use of military force, with strings attached, limitations... but somehow that is technically not a war, and also there's no actual mechanism for tugging on those strings and actually enforcing those limitations.
It's all very straightforward you see, rofl.
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nobel prize withdrawal for breakfast, impeachment for lunch, ??? for dinner
Didn't know they gave awards for breakfast excellence
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Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat, officially introduced new Articles of Impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday.
"In starting his illegal and unconstitutional war with Iran without the constitutionally mandated consent of Congress or appropriate notice to Congress, President Trump acted in direct violation of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution," Green's articles state.
"President Trump has devolved and continues to devolve American democracy into authoritarianism by disregarding the separation of powers and now usurping congressional war powers."
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Round 3.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]will he be free from any meaningful consequence again
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Slip and do what? Hit the nuclear button this time? He's "slipped" nearly every day. Nothing changes.
Slip and say or do something that even the cheeto-lickers can't abide.
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Slip and say or do something that even the cheeto-lickers can't abide.
That will never happen. He could come out today saying Black Lives Matter, abortion is a human right, trans people deserve respect, and immigrants are welcome and they would just cheer.
They aren't following him for his views. They follow him because he is their cult leader.
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Oh look were trying again for the fourth? Fifth? Time. It'll definitely with this time.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Oh well. If someone gets away with a crime then it's totally pointless to go after them for subsequent crimes. It's that one loophole that every prosecutor hates.
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Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat, officially introduced new Articles of Impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday.
"In starting his illegal and unconstitutional war with Iran without the constitutionally mandated consent of Congress or appropriate notice to Congress, President Trump acted in direct violation of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution," Green's articles state.
"President Trump has devolved and continues to devolve American democracy into authoritarianism by disregarding the separation of powers and now usurping congressional war powers."
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Round 3.
It's already been shot down though.
A majority of Democrats even voted to not even discuss the articles. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat, officially introduced new Articles of Impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday.
"In starting his illegal and unconstitutional war with Iran without the constitutionally mandated consent of Congress or appropriate notice to Congress, President Trump acted in direct violation of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution," Green's articles state.
"President Trump has devolved and continues to devolve American democracy into authoritarianism by disregarding the separation of powers and now usurping congressional war powers."
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Round 3.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It's nice they want to impeach him but just like his previous impeachments, there were no repercussions. There NEED to be repercussions. Remove him from office!
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Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat, officially introduced new Articles of Impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday.
"In starting his illegal and unconstitutional war with Iran without the constitutionally mandated consent of Congress or appropriate notice to Congress, President Trump acted in direct violation of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution," Green's articles state.
"President Trump has devolved and continues to devolve American democracy into authoritarianism by disregarding the separation of powers and now usurping congressional war powers."
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Round 3.
They know this won't pass the Senate if it even passes the house. It's just keeping up appearances I guess. Kind of like how they held up signs like Wild E. Coyote does when his plans go to shit.
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I mean, 'flood the zone' of Congress with constant impeachment proposals would at least be some kind of stalling/stonewalling tactic, which is preferable to the uh, mostly lot of nothing other than crying 90% of the Dems have been doing thus far.
I... don't know if there is any mechanism in Congress that acts as a cool down timer for how often you could try that... I think it just has to be a new House Rep each time?
I don't know. Is anyone of sufficient House Parliamentarian style wonkery to be able to chime in on that?
I uh, I think we are past the stage of 'but JD would be even worse!' at this point, but of course, give it 24 to 48 hours and there'll be an Atlantic or NYT op-ed making that exact argument.
They had a mechanism called a filibuster. But congress changed the rules on that a while back because it was wasting everyone's time. Ironic right?
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Oh no, the twice-impeached president might be impeached again? That'll teach him!
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It's even worse than last time because the DNC had a house majority the first time and the senate was 50:50, with 7 GOP crossing the aisle in the senate to get 57 of the 67 needed to remove.
Now, Republicans have a solid house majority and 53 in the senate. We would need full attendence, several house turncoats, and 20 senate GOP to remove him this time.
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Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat, officially introduced new Articles of Impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday.
"In starting his illegal and unconstitutional war with Iran without the constitutionally mandated consent of Congress or appropriate notice to Congress, President Trump acted in direct violation of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution," Green's articles state.
"President Trump has devolved and continues to devolve American democracy into authoritarianism by disregarding the separation of powers and now usurping congressional war powers."
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Round 3.
He's already been impeached and it didn't accomplish shit. He needs to be deposed.
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It's already been shot down though.
A majority of Democrats even voted to not even discuss the articles. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I think you are talking about when they tried to bring up impeachment last month.
Unless... you have a source from within like the last 3 or 4 hours of a bunch of them saying that for this current attempt.
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Let's keep doing it until it sticks. He'll get angrier and angrier every time. At some point he'll slip.
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They had a mechanism called a filibuster. But congress changed the rules on that a while back because it was wasting everyone's time. Ironic right?
Fillibuster, as it works in the US specifically, is a process to delay a proposed bill/law from going to a final vote, or a vote on approving or denying an ammendment to a proposed bill/law.
Articles of Impeachment, to my knowledge, are an entirely different thing, that follow different rules than a proposed law.
So... filibustering is more like kiting around your last unit in Starcraft as long as possible, even though your entire base has already been destroyed.
Spamming constant repeated articles of impeachment would be more like constantly spamming zerglings.
Theoretically, it would be a new ... thing the Congress has to deal with, every single time... but again, no one has ever, in American history, tried to do that, so I legitimately do not know if it even is concievably a strategy.
But uh, unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures, eh?
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I think you are talking about when they tried to bring up impeachment last month.
Unless... you have a source from within like the last 3 or 4 hours of a bunch of them saying that for this current attempt.
From the updated article
A vote to table the impeachment articles passed by a 344-79 margin, with 128 Democrats joining Republicans for the vote. House Democratic leadership has thus far been wary of impeachment efforts from some members, and Green's latest push did not receive support from leadership.
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Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat, officially introduced new Articles of Impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday.
"In starting his illegal and unconstitutional war with Iran without the constitutionally mandated consent of Congress or appropriate notice to Congress, President Trump acted in direct violation of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution," Green's articles state.
"President Trump has devolved and continues to devolve American democracy into authoritarianism by disregarding the separation of powers and now usurping congressional war powers."
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Round 3.
Surely this will get him.
