Donald Trump faces new Articles of Impeachment over Iran strikes
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Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat, officially introduced new Articles of Impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday.
"In starting his illegal and unconstitutional war with Iran without the constitutionally mandated consent of Congress or appropriate notice to Congress, President Trump acted in direct violation of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution," Green's articles state.
"President Trump has devolved and continues to devolve American democracy into authoritarianism by disregarding the separation of powers and now usurping congressional war powers."
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Round 3.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It's nice they want to impeach him but just like his previous impeachments, there were no repercussions. There NEED to be repercussions. Remove him from office!
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Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat, officially introduced new Articles of Impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday.
"In starting his illegal and unconstitutional war with Iran without the constitutionally mandated consent of Congress or appropriate notice to Congress, President Trump acted in direct violation of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution," Green's articles state.
"President Trump has devolved and continues to devolve American democracy into authoritarianism by disregarding the separation of powers and now usurping congressional war powers."
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Round 3.
They know this won't pass the Senate if it even passes the house. It's just keeping up appearances I guess. Kind of like how they held up signs like Wild E. Coyote does when his plans go to shit.
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I mean, 'flood the zone' of Congress with constant impeachment proposals would at least be some kind of stalling/stonewalling tactic, which is preferable to the uh, mostly lot of nothing other than crying 90% of the Dems have been doing thus far.
I... don't know if there is any mechanism in Congress that acts as a cool down timer for how often you could try that... I think it just has to be a new House Rep each time?
I don't know. Is anyone of sufficient House Parliamentarian style wonkery to be able to chime in on that?
I uh, I think we are past the stage of 'but JD would be even worse!' at this point, but of course, give it 24 to 48 hours and there'll be an Atlantic or NYT op-ed making that exact argument.
They had a mechanism called a filibuster. But congress changed the rules on that a while back because it was wasting everyone's time. Ironic right?
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Oh no, the twice-impeached president might be impeached again? That'll teach him!
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It's even worse than last time because the DNC had a house majority the first time and the senate was 50:50, with 7 GOP crossing the aisle in the senate to get 57 of the 67 needed to remove.
Now, Republicans have a solid house majority and 53 in the senate. We would need full attendence, several house turncoats, and 20 senate GOP to remove him this time.
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Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat, officially introduced new Articles of Impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday.
"In starting his illegal and unconstitutional war with Iran without the constitutionally mandated consent of Congress or appropriate notice to Congress, President Trump acted in direct violation of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution," Green's articles state.
"President Trump has devolved and continues to devolve American democracy into authoritarianism by disregarding the separation of powers and now usurping congressional war powers."
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Round 3.
He's already been impeached and it didn't accomplish shit. He needs to be deposed.
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It's already been shot down though.
A majority of Democrats even voted to not even discuss the articles. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I think you are talking about when they tried to bring up impeachment last month.
Unless... you have a source from within like the last 3 or 4 hours of a bunch of them saying that for this current attempt.
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Let's keep doing it until it sticks. He'll get angrier and angrier every time. At some point he'll slip.
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They had a mechanism called a filibuster. But congress changed the rules on that a while back because it was wasting everyone's time. Ironic right?
Fillibuster, as it works in the US specifically, is a process to delay a proposed bill/law from going to a final vote, or a vote on approving or denying an ammendment to a proposed bill/law.
Articles of Impeachment, to my knowledge, are an entirely different thing, that follow different rules than a proposed law.
So... filibustering is more like kiting around your last unit in Starcraft as long as possible, even though your entire base has already been destroyed.
Spamming constant repeated articles of impeachment would be more like constantly spamming zerglings.
Theoretically, it would be a new ... thing the Congress has to deal with, every single time... but again, no one has ever, in American history, tried to do that, so I legitimately do not know if it even is concievably a strategy.
But uh, unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures, eh?
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I think you are talking about when they tried to bring up impeachment last month.
Unless... you have a source from within like the last 3 or 4 hours of a bunch of them saying that for this current attempt.
From the updated article
A vote to table the impeachment articles passed by a 344-79 margin, with 128 Democrats joining Republicans for the vote. House Democratic leadership has thus far been wary of impeachment efforts from some members, and Green's latest push did not receive support from leadership.
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Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat, officially introduced new Articles of Impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday.
"In starting his illegal and unconstitutional war with Iran without the constitutionally mandated consent of Congress or appropriate notice to Congress, President Trump acted in direct violation of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution," Green's articles state.
"President Trump has devolved and continues to devolve American democracy into authoritarianism by disregarding the separation of powers and now usurping congressional war powers."
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Round 3.
Surely this will get him.
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It's even worse than last time because the DNC had a house majority the first time and the senate was 50:50, with 7 GOP crossing the aisle in the senate to get 57 of the 67 needed to remove.
Now, Republicans have a solid house majority and 53 in the senate. We would need full attendence, several house turncoats, and 20 senate GOP to remove him this time.
"full attendance"
The fact that some 300 people with the best salaries and most prestigious jobs in the country can't be presumed to all attend their job is completely incredible to me. Especially on occasions of such importance such as a presidential impeachment.
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Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat, officially introduced new Articles of Impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday.
"In starting his illegal and unconstitutional war with Iran without the constitutionally mandated consent of Congress or appropriate notice to Congress, President Trump acted in direct violation of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution," Green's articles state.
"President Trump has devolved and continues to devolve American democracy into authoritarianism by disregarding the separation of powers and now usurping congressional war powers."
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Round 3.
How many times is this now?
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Oh well. If someone gets away with a crime then it's totally pointless to go after them for subsequent crimes. It's that one loophole that every prosecutor hates.
And it's totally insane to so the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
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Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat, officially introduced new Articles of Impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday.
"In starting his illegal and unconstitutional war with Iran without the constitutionally mandated consent of Congress or appropriate notice to Congress, President Trump acted in direct violation of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution," Green's articles state.
"President Trump has devolved and continues to devolve American democracy into authoritarianism by disregarding the separation of powers and now usurping congressional war powers."
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Round 3.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]this will get him for sure this time...
if not...
maybe the next one...
or like...
maybe if he's arrested/a felon...
what's that you're saying...
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Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat, officially introduced new Articles of Impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday.
"In starting his illegal and unconstitutional war with Iran without the constitutionally mandated consent of Congress or appropriate notice to Congress, President Trump acted in direct violation of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution," Green's articles state.
"President Trump has devolved and continues to devolve American democracy into authoritarianism by disregarding the separation of powers and now usurping congressional war powers."
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Round 3.
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And it's totally insane to so the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Rolling dice, flipping a coin, shooting a single photon through a split aperture.
Cute quote, but it's dead wrong.
Also, I fully expect trump not to be impeached (this time at least) the goal isn't to remove him here, the goal is to get these assholes to sign their names to his bad behavior, and to slow down congress, preventing republicans from getting legislation to the floor.
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Fillibuster, as it works in the US specifically, is a process to delay a proposed bill/law from going to a final vote, or a vote on approving or denying an ammendment to a proposed bill/law.
Articles of Impeachment, to my knowledge, are an entirely different thing, that follow different rules than a proposed law.
So... filibustering is more like kiting around your last unit in Starcraft as long as possible, even though your entire base has already been destroyed.
Spamming constant repeated articles of impeachment would be more like constantly spamming zerglings.
Theoretically, it would be a new ... thing the Congress has to deal with, every single time... but again, no one has ever, in American history, tried to do that, so I legitimately do not know if it even is concievably a strategy.
But uh, unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures, eh?
If you lose all your buildings you lose... It's more like hiding your command center in a corner of the map and waiting for your opponent to find and kill it...
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Rolling dice, flipping a coin, shooting a single photon through a split aperture.
Cute quote, but it's dead wrong.
Also, I fully expect trump not to be impeached (this time at least) the goal isn't to remove him here, the goal is to get these assholes to sign their names to his bad behavior, and to slow down congress, preventing republicans from getting legislation to the floor.
Oh yeah like the last 4 times we got those names. This is a waste of time. You know it and just don't want to admit it.
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Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat, officially introduced new Articles of Impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday.
"In starting his illegal and unconstitutional war with Iran without the constitutionally mandated consent of Congress or appropriate notice to Congress, President Trump acted in direct violation of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution," Green's articles state.
"President Trump has devolved and continues to devolve American democracy into authoritarianism by disregarding the separation of powers and now usurping congressional war powers."
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Round 3.
I think this is dumb— not because he shouldn’t do it— or that it shouldn’t be illegal— but all the presidents since Bush Jr have used the same vague authorizations for fighting terrorism to justify strikes all over the Middle East and Africa— so there is precedent even if stupid precedent. Instead congress should just rescind those articles and take back their war declaration power. Except that they would also have to revoke the 1950s document that lets the president basically carry on a war for 60 days… it’s stupid, but I don’t see impeachment for this offense possible and just weakens the threat for the future. But maybe it’s already toast.
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Representative Al Green, a Texas Democrat, officially introduced new Articles of Impeachment against President Donald Trump on Tuesday.
"In starting his illegal and unconstitutional war with Iran without the constitutionally mandated consent of Congress or appropriate notice to Congress, President Trump acted in direct violation of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution," Green's articles state.
"President Trump has devolved and continues to devolve American democracy into authoritarianism by disregarding the separation of powers and now usurping congressional war powers."
This is a developing story and will be updated.
Round 3.
I think this is dumb— not because he shouldn’t do it— or that it shouldn’t be illegal— but all the presidents since Bush Jr have used the same vague authorizations for fighting terrorism to justify strikes all over the Middle East and Africa— so there is precedent even if stupid precedent. Instead congress should just rescind those articles and take back their war declaration power. Except that they would also have to revoke the 1950s document that lets the president basically carry on a war for 60 days… it’s stupid, but I don’t see impeachment for this offense possible and just weakens the threat for the future. But maybe it’s already toast.
