Sony faces another class-action lawsuit over PlayStation Store prices and monopolistic practices
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To be honest that would just be the end of the consoles system as there is a reason Sony is selling the PS5 for so cheap.
As much as I understand why Apple shouldn’t be allowed to keep everything in the Apple Store, Sony’s situation isn’t the same.
But what would bother me more is if Sony starts to raise the prices of everything without justification.
I got a Steam Deck and I’m slowly migrating my gaming from Playstation only to Linux/Playstation gaming. Still a Playstation 5 is a great product, especially with kids and its ease of use and great graphics for your bucks.
wrote last edited by [email protected]No PC that isn’t a lower spec handheld can pick up and play like a console, and even that list is very short. Consoles are also, at least for a few years, the far more economical decision when it comes or acquiring the base hardware. It’s maybe changed now since we’re over halfway through this cycle but I’d challenge anyone here to match a digital PS4 for $400 USD with a PC. It’s a tall order.
I am now a strictly PC gamer. It’s better for most things. But consoles still make sense to a lot of people. No fuss, in your games fast, simple experience, plug into your tv and go with the controller they gave you.
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To be honest that would just be the end of the consoles system as there is a reason Sony is selling the PS5 for so cheap.
As much as I understand why Apple shouldn’t be allowed to keep everything in the Apple Store, Sony’s situation isn’t the same.
But what would bother me more is if Sony starts to raise the prices of everything without justification.
I got a Steam Deck and I’m slowly migrating my gaming from Playstation only to Linux/Playstation gaming. Still a Playstation 5 is a great product, especially with kids and its ease of use and great graphics for your bucks.
wrote last edited by [email protected]To be honest that would just be the end of the consoles system as there is a reason Sony is selling the PS5 for so cheap.
They stopped selling them for cheap as soon as they reached market dominance, so good riddance I say.
I'm also not sure how much the PS exerience differs from Xbox, but my last console was an XOne (got it for cheap) specifically because I wanted the "no fuss" experience, and it was such a headache that it convinced me to switch to PC instead.
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I wish it covered how they went from selling cards giving time for PS+, to requiring mismatched currency cards for PS+.
Wait what? I'm mostly steam now so I'm out of the loop. What the fuck.....?
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I was a PS gamer since the PS1. Thousands of hours spent over decades.
I switched to PC (linux) late last year and my PS Plus membership lapsed in April of this year. I won't be back.
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I like to read the comments left by people/"people" on these types of websites, and all those comments were basically saying that this is a little overstepping since "there is plenty of competition" i.e. Xbox and Nintendo.
One of them even said something about "imagine DRM on like your tractor" or something like that, and boy howdy do I wish I didn't have to create an account to comment back, "Like John Deere...?"
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It's claimed that in addition to exploiting its dominant position, Sony bans other potential app stores from having access to the PlayStation platform.
It would be fascinating if this lawsuit forces Sony to open their platform to 3rd party stores. I am assuming they would be far more opposed to this than even any multi-hundred million euro fines.
How is it even going to work though? The SDK is under NDA, there is no documentation and devkits are not sold freely, so random studios can’t just develop games for Playstation and upload to a 3rd party marketplace
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I don’t have explicitly what you’re looking for as I am not a lawyer, but game consoles aren’t a general-purpose computing device (despite theoretically capable of being one if appropriately jailbroken), and as such, prior case law for PC doesn’t apply.
iOS/Android tend to be classified a general-purpose computing device because it does all the same things a PC does (or did) and more. It plays games and does banking and plays music and browses the web and displays pictures and movies, etc etc. For some, it’s their primary and only computing device.
game consoles aren’t a general-purpose computing device
I know that’s the legal argument that manufacturers make, but it’s always been bad faith. Long gone are the days when a console does one thing: play games. Now they stream, have web browsers, social media, apps… they’ve been general purpose for many, many years. Being locked down anti-competitively is not an excuse for something to be locked down anti-competitively.
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To be honest that would just be the end of the consoles system as there is a reason Sony is selling the PS5 for so cheap.
They stopped selling them for cheap as soon as they reached market dominance, so good riddance I say.
I'm also not sure how much the PS exerience differs from Xbox, but my last console was an XOne (got it for cheap) specifically because I wanted the "no fuss" experience, and it was such a headache that it convinced me to switch to PC instead.
Well I bought my ps5 a while ago, but I think that despite the price increase, it’s still cheaper than a comparable PC.
As for the no fuss experience, my Steam Deck, which I love and have had for a few month, has already given more to tinker and solve than my ps5 in a few years.
I just think that the Playstation experience isn’t as good and cheap as it used to be compared to PC.
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game consoles aren’t a general-purpose computing device
I know that’s the legal argument that manufacturers make, but it’s always been bad faith. Long gone are the days when a console does one thing: play games. Now they stream, have web browsers, social media, apps… they’ve been general purpose for many, many years. Being locked down anti-competitively is not an excuse for something to be locked down anti-competitively.
I agree with your argument overall, but I think it would be reasonable to say they are broader-purpose computing devices now, and are not yet general-purpose. Consumers don’t have an expectation to reach for their game console to do an arbitrary thing. They generally can expect their phone or laptop to.
“There’s an app for that” just isn’t true for huge swathes of apps on almost all consoles.
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No PC that isn’t a lower spec handheld can pick up and play like a console, and even that list is very short. Consoles are also, at least for a few years, the far more economical decision when it comes or acquiring the base hardware. It’s maybe changed now since we’re over halfway through this cycle but I’d challenge anyone here to match a digital PS4 for $400 USD with a PC. It’s a tall order.
I am now a strictly PC gamer. It’s better for most things. But consoles still make sense to a lot of people. No fuss, in your games fast, simple experience, plug into your tv and go with the controller they gave you.
I totally agree and it’s a pleasure to read someone who’s able to talk about the advantages of each side.
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I totally agree and it’s a pleasure to read someone who’s able to talk about the advantages of each side.
Ah I think I misinterpreted the thrust of your comment
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No PC that isn’t a lower spec handheld can pick up and play like a console, and even that list is very short. Consoles are also, at least for a few years, the far more economical decision when it comes or acquiring the base hardware. It’s maybe changed now since we’re over halfway through this cycle but I’d challenge anyone here to match a digital PS4 for $400 USD with a PC. It’s a tall order.
I am now a strictly PC gamer. It’s better for most things. But consoles still make sense to a lot of people. No fuss, in your games fast, simple experience, plug into your tv and go with the controller they gave you.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Maybe it’s because I don’t use it enough but the last Sony console I bought was the absolute opposite of “no fuss”. It was nothing but mandatory unskippable updates and I constantly got signed out and had to sign in and the 2fa app kept changing names. And also all those updates and sign-ins had mandatory EULAS you had to scroll through. Such a hassle.
Edit: also it tried to talk to my Sony tv in some “smart” way over HDMI (so I couldn’t disable it) which would sometimes cause my TV to crash and reboot for several minutes.
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We sold our PS and now have a gaming PC hooked up to the TV.
Been a few teething issues with convenience issues like being able to turn it on from the couch, but the experience has gotten pretty smooth now.
wrote last edited by [email protected]If you have a dumb TV you can use a USB to CEC adapter that talks to the tv. If you have a smart TV it is probably supported by Home Assistant so you can rig your computer to wake the TV.
Edit: both of these solutions are arguably no-code-required but I agree they’re a bit technically involved.
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How is it even going to work though? The SDK is under NDA, there is no documentation and devkits are not sold freely, so random studios can’t just develop games for Playstation and upload to a 3rd party marketplace
Assuming they are forced to open up their platform, I'm sure they would be required to make changes to make it possible for others to use it.
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Well I bought my ps5 a while ago, but I think that despite the price increase, it’s still cheaper than a comparable PC.
As for the no fuss experience, my Steam Deck, which I love and have had for a few month, has already given more to tinker and solve than my ps5 in a few years.
I just think that the Playstation experience isn’t as good and cheap as it used to be compared to PC.
Cheapness ended after PS3 era I think. Even if it (ps4, ps5) is cheaper than a comparable PC, online access after a year or two would probably ruin all the savings.
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Maybe it’s because I don’t use it enough but the last Sony console I bought was the absolute opposite of “no fuss”. It was nothing but mandatory unskippable updates and I constantly got signed out and had to sign in and the 2fa app kept changing names. And also all those updates and sign-ins had mandatory EULAS you had to scroll through. Such a hassle.
Edit: also it tried to talk to my Sony tv in some “smart” way over HDMI (so I couldn’t disable it) which would sometimes cause my TV to crash and reboot for several minutes.
As an aside. I fucking hate smart TV shit. We were gifted a like Samsung 80 inch 4K tv and I was so excited to get that as a gift. I’d never had a tv bigger than 35. But all the smart shit makes it such a miserable experience.
I’ve also decided I hate HDR. Who made the decision that the TV has its own HDR settings, the console has HDR settings, and then individual games have settings as well. I have no clue if my shit is looking the way it’s supposed to. I recently got a PS portal and on god everything looks better on it than the TV, I think because it’s preconfigured.
I miss just plugging in the game and it looking fine.
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As an aside. I fucking hate smart TV shit. We were gifted a like Samsung 80 inch 4K tv and I was so excited to get that as a gift. I’d never had a tv bigger than 35. But all the smart shit makes it such a miserable experience.
I’ve also decided I hate HDR. Who made the decision that the TV has its own HDR settings, the console has HDR settings, and then individual games have settings as well. I have no clue if my shit is looking the way it’s supposed to. I recently got a PS portal and on god everything looks better on it than the TV, I think because it’s preconfigured.
I miss just plugging in the game and it looking fine.
Yea, hdr is very standardized.
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Cheapness ended after PS3 era I think. Even if it (ps4, ps5) is cheaper than a comparable PC, online access after a year or two would probably ruin all the savings.
Agreed but you can play only offline without missing on much. I currently have the ps plus for a few more months, but I’m dropping it as the only one playing online is my son and hés playing fortnite.
But, if you’re an online player, it’s gonna be cheaper to play on pc.
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I don't get how Apple has to open their shit up (although they're certainly dragging their heels over it and sulking like a toddler) but Sony, MS and Nintendo don't.
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Maybe it’s because I don’t use it enough but the last Sony console I bought was the absolute opposite of “no fuss”. It was nothing but mandatory unskippable updates and I constantly got signed out and had to sign in and the 2fa app kept changing names. And also all those updates and sign-ins had mandatory EULAS you had to scroll through. Such a hassle.
Edit: also it tried to talk to my Sony tv in some “smart” way over HDMI (so I couldn’t disable it) which would sometimes cause my TV to crash and reboot for several minutes.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I mean if you read through EULA’s respect but they take seconds to get past. As for updates, I’m guessing you turned off auto updates and/or power your console down completely whenever you’re not playing it. Otherwise it should just be updating in the background and you never have to wait. That’s been typical for over a decade.
I’m not saying those aren’t viable decisions if you want to disable all that or read everything, but the stuff you were encountering was completely avoidable. I never triggered 2FA on either my Xbox (one -> XSS) or PS4 so I’m not sure what you did to trip that up.
Every TV lets you disable smart link so you could’ve killed that if you wanted to as well. I hate it as well! I don’t want the power button between my console and TV to be linked
