Pornhub Is Pulling Out of France
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Does masturbation without porn count as "work"?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It does imho. You are somewhat forced to use your imagination and explore what you like both mentally and physically instead of hyperfixating on a screen, which will lead to a better experience alone and with someone else.
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Why do you wish it was less accessible? I was in the same boat but I feel it was largely a source of sexual satisfaction and even education in some cases. And today I have many and very healthy relationships with women, just to preempt those questions.
Despite decades-long moral panic around this topic, I haven’t found much evidence for pornography harming young people, maybe aside from some niche issues that are not well-addressed with this type of legislation.
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Tell us how your guilt and shame forces you to make decisions for others.
- do you think it'll make you feel better about yourself?
- if rules must be made so you feel better about your choices, can we enforces rules on you when it would make us feel better about ourselves?
This is a strange matrix of control you're suggesting, and I want to understand it.
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You can't force anyone to care about anything all you can do is educate them. After that if they do nothing then they clearly don't care if little Johnny or Susie are having personal time while browsing porn.
Most importantly of all the government has no business knowing what legal porn each adult does and does not consume in the name of "protecting children". It is the same bullshit argument governments use as a reason to require encryption backdoors.
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“Adults are free to consume porn, but not at the expense of protecting our children,” Chappaz said in a tweet Tuesday, according to an English language translation. “Asking pornographic sites to verify the age of their users is not about stigmatizing adults, but about protecting our children.”
These fuckers always throw around the term "protecting our children" when they want to do something shitty. Companies like Pornhub actually have strick controls to actually protect children with their anti-CP policies. By forcing them to adopt these bullshit government controls, it only moves users to less legitimate sites without anti-CP policies.
Yeah, using kids as a baseball bat to bash their way forward
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Yes, it is okay for teenagers to watch porn. Pretty much everyone did, at least everyone I know. None of these people have any problems because of it. There certainly are people with unhealthy relationships to porn, but the same can be said about basically all things. You wouldn't ban video games because gaming addicts exist, would you?
A ban such as this only makes sense for things without any upside, like gambling. But exploring your own sexuality is a natural and healthy thing to do. Porn is an easy way to do that.
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Parental responsibility? Plenty of resources on the internet to block adult sites at the router and on device. If that's to technical they can get device lockers and only let their kids use them in communal areas of the home and lock them up otherwise.
There are so many options for parents that actually care that the idea the only solution is a government nanny on the internet is the height of ridiculous.
So should the supermarket check the ID before selling alcohol, or is it the parent's responsability too?
Jokes aside, I think the problem is that most parents are not technically capable of configuring a router at home, and even if some did, as most don't kids would just go to those homes or use those phones to watch it, I guess?
Like I get it, but this will never work, unless you force every parent to visit classes about phone and router configuration.
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I was an active user of pornhub when I was 14 years old
I was a teenager before the modern internet, so at 14 I got my porn from BBSes and friends sharing floppy disks. There was plenty of awful/illegal shit on BBSes. But they weren't regulated, so no one did anything about it.
You cannot ban teenagers from accessing porn. Full stop.
You can ban teenagers from using safe sites that follow the rules. That will force teenagers off responsible sites like PornHub and move them to shady sites that don't follow rules and have shit like child pornography.
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So should the supermarket check the ID before selling alcohol, or is it the parent's responsability too?
Jokes aside, I think the problem is that most parents are not technically capable of configuring a router at home, and even if some did, as most don't kids would just go to those homes or use those phones to watch it, I guess?
Like I get it, but this will never work, unless you force every parent to visit classes about phone and router configuration.
So should the supermarket check the ID before selling alcohol, or is it the parent's responsability too?
Horrible comparison since the supermarket/liquor store doesn't enter your info into a database but just checks your DOB to make sure you are old enough. At least in the US.
Jokes aside, I think the problem is that most parents are not technically capable of configuring a router at home, and even if some did, as most don't kids would just go to those homes or use those phones to watch it, I guess?
Hence my inclusion of a nontechnical option: device lockers. As far as kids using someone else's device at someone else's home you can't protect kids from everything everywhere all the time. You can talk to the parents of other kids and explain what you do and why. You could even offer your technical expertise, if you have it, to do the same for them or share links to device lockers.
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I was an active user of pornhub when I was 14 years old
I was a teenager before the modern internet, so at 14 I got my porn from BBSes and friends sharing floppy disks. There was plenty of awful/illegal shit on BBSes. But they weren't regulated, so no one did anything about it.
You cannot ban teenagers from accessing porn. Full stop.
You can ban teenagers from using safe sites that follow the rules. That will force teenagers off responsible sites like PornHub and move them to shady sites that don't follow rules and have shit like child pornography.
I grew up in the 1970's and 80's. Even then porn wasn't hard to find.
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So should the supermarket check the ID before selling alcohol, or is it the parent's responsability too?
Jokes aside, I think the problem is that most parents are not technically capable of configuring a router at home, and even if some did, as most don't kids would just go to those homes or use those phones to watch it, I guess?
Like I get it, but this will never work, unless you force every parent to visit classes about phone and router configuration.
So should the supermarket check the ID before selling alcohol, or is it the parent's responsability too?
I'm from the US where the drinking age is 21. A lot of my friends growing up bought illegal drugs because they were easier to get than alcohol.
To buy beer, you had to find someone's older brother and convince him to buy it for you, or find homeless guy and give him some money.
Or you could just hit up Nathaniel on the street corner to get some weed or ecstacy. Nathaniel didn't give a shit about your ID.
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I grew up in the 1970's and 80's. Even then porn wasn't hard to find.
Exactly. There's a reason prostitution is called "the world's oldest profession". People have biological needs. Banning kids from using legitimate porn sites isn't going to undo millions of years of evolution.
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Yes, it is okay for teenagers to watch porn. Pretty much everyone did, at least everyone I know. None of these people have any problems because of it. There certainly are people with unhealthy relationships to porn, but the same can be said about basically all things. You wouldn't ban video games because gaming addicts exist, would you?
A ban such as this only makes sense for things without any upside, like gambling. But exploring your own sexuality is a natural and healthy thing to do. Porn is an easy way to do that.
You wouldn't ban video games because gaming addicts exist, would you?
Oh they tried so often it's a fecking meme at this point and they won't stop.
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This is Wikipedia on the guy who started the site:
Wilson argued, counter to relevant experts in the subject, that porn addiction is a public health issue,[11] and said it led to negative effects such as depression and erectile dysfunction.[13] According to Jason Winters, a lecturer on human sexuality in the department of psychology at the University of British Columbia "There is no research showing that Internet pornography causes mental disorders — none".[14]
wrote on last edited by [email protected]His vita is partly problematic, but he clearly states that this claim goes against the research currently available. One of the reasons is that it would be hard to justify necessary studies morally. Another one is that porn is a giant industry with many "independant" contractors who want to justify themselves. Also, the hyper availability of porn as we know it today over the internet is a pretty young phenomenon. As a comparison, there was a time not too long ago when smoking was advised by doctors.
Anyways, it's always funny to see the cognitive dissonance of people when it comes to negative effects of instant gratification like with drugs, social media, overeating or any other thing that can seriously fuck with your mind when done wrong or too early in life, but porn always somehow gets trivialized out of that exact discussion. Maybe it's because it affects us all, just like covid, and that did not foster a healthy culture of discussion as well iirc. It also kind of reminds me of stoners trying to tell you that weed is not addictive.
There are enough issues in our modern society where this could, not alone by itself, and as we both stated just as a scientifically unproven claim for now, be part of the explanation. I'd say let's wait until AI gets shoved into this equation as well for long enough to see what it does to the people lol.
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Based on my reading, porn addiction isn’t a real medical condition and is largely driven by internalized or external stigma around porn usage. Usually, but not always stemming from a religious worldview that shames people for masturbating or having an interest in sex outside of the context of heterosexual marital procreation.
There could be small numbers of people who truly have an unhealthy relationship with porn, but if so, they are greatly outnumbered by the people I described above, such that I haven’t found research on their experiences.
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You wouldn't ban video games because gaming addicts exist, would you?
Oh they tried so often it's a fecking meme at this point and they won't stop.
Well, yes. But it hasn't worked yet because it is so fucking dumb.
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Pulling out 🤭
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Are we not doing “Phrasing!” anymore?
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It's kinda weird seeing this from Germany: Around here porn websites always required a proper age check ("are you 18" banners don't suffice), which in effect means that the few porn sites that are hosted in Germany are paid (if you're paying, an age check is trivial). That doesn't mean that the rest is inaccessible, but it certainly doesn''t have a .de TLD. It's just how laws written for the offline age translated to online.
What's stopping pornhub from having a similar strategy in France? Continue to accept French IPs for the international version, paywall the French version.
What's stopping pornhub from having a similar strategy in France? Continue to accept French IPs for the international version, paywall the French version.
Pornhub is ideologically against having to collect and verify data on their users for the government. They block traffic in all areas that pass these kinds of laws as a protest.
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I was an active user of pornhub when I was 14 years old
I was a teenager before the modern internet, so at 14 I got my porn from BBSes and friends sharing floppy disks. There was plenty of awful/illegal shit on BBSes. But they weren't regulated, so no one did anything about it.
You cannot ban teenagers from accessing porn. Full stop.
You can ban teenagers from using safe sites that follow the rules. That will force teenagers off responsible sites like PornHub and move them to shady sites that don't follow rules and have shit like child pornography.
This and to add to this:
They know this already. This is not a new subject, this has been going on for decades and every time it ends the same and it keeps coming back because they only need to win once. Once porn becomes illegal, good luck making it back legal again
And that depends on what asshole you're dealing with, the religious virtua signalling asshole or the "must monitor and control all citizens always" type asshole.
The latter does the same shit, just for slightly different reasons. assholes sometimes have similar goals and all.
Either way, it's NEVER about actually protecting the children because fuck children, no politician has ever actually cared for a child (far and few exceptions excluded)
Basically, if a politician talks about protecting children, they're lying, period.
