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8 billion people vs. 3000 billionaires: Who would win?

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    Just stop believing that those 3000 are billionaires. If 8 billion people say "No, you are not rich" those fuckers become poor. Money is a religion.

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      Matthew effect.

      For anyone wondering, the effect describes the uncanny ability for rich people to put on red outfits and act like blind devils whilst bending the law in their favor as they bask in their own self-proclaimed peity

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      No. It's about you, me and everyone else throwing money at people who have more than we do. And at the same time we all take from those who have less than we have. This helps us with securing our position in social hierarchy (to some degree) which also stabilizes the hierarchy. This is how we work as human beings, it's our very nature.

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        No. It's about you, me and everyone else throwing money at people who have more than we do. And at the same time we all take from those who have less than we have. This helps us with securing our position in social hierarchy (to some degree) which also stabilizes the hierarchy. This is how we work as human beings, it's our very nature.

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        (I was making a daredevil joke but no one got it 😢 )

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          (I was making a daredevil joke but no one got it 😢 )

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          Oh. Never watched the show or read the comics...

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            Just stop believing that those 3000 are billionaires. If 8 billion people say "No, you are not rich" those fuckers become poor. Money is a religion.

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            Except that doesn't stop the exchange of goods and services.

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              Tje billionaires are winning now and the reasons are obvious.

              The 8 billion are unable to think clearly, identify problems and organize. The billionaires are focused on their goals and super influential. They're able to buy loyality of the key less fortunate people and enforce loyality of others. They can also buy media to influence thinking of the masses.

              If it was just about numbers, the billionaires would lose. But it's not.

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                Don't put us on the same list with the rest of the world and 8 billion pretty much win.

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                  Depends on the situation.

                  If we were all put into an arena with zero weaponry, the 8 billion. Under no circumstances would the 3000 win because the 8 billion would most likely end up murdering them, even if by accident.

                  Under the current world conditions, not looking good.

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                    Oh. Never watched the show or read the comics...

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                    I mean, it was a bit of a reach, but I went for it

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                      Assuming the 8b were all of the same mind, they would win. But we all know there are quite a few that the billionaires could buy to fight for them

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                        I mean, it was a bit of a reach, but I went for it

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                        It's always worth a try!

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                          Seems like the billionaires are winning 🤷🏼‍♀️ ?!

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                            The game is rigged.

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                              Seems like the billionaires are winning 🤷🏼‍♀️ ?!

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                              Nobody is winning, except that demon capital. The billionaires are just losing less.

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                                Nature seems to be helping out recently as well.

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                                  Ignoring the most basic attention to detail is much worse than over-attention to detail. While they deserve consideration, optics are secondary to functionality. The most popular plan in the world is useless if it doesn't actually function.

                                  Engagement is nothing without substance. You're putting the cart before the horse.

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                                  You are well beyond "most basic", and also I disagree. Over-attention to detail is a very easy way to make nothing happen at all, which is currently killing people. I'm not the person who's going to map out a detailed plan to get to that society, nor do I think an internet comment section is the place to do that. Especially when what we're talking about is global revolution which absolutely necessitates broad engagement with many many people who don't know all the details and really don't need to. This is a very appropriate context to be talking in broad strokes. And if you want to wait for some perfect plan with every detail in exactly the right place, you'll be waiting until the heat death of the universe.

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                                    I mean... Look around? Maybe billionaire is a new thing, but it is just modern royalty. We still have kings, they just got better PR.

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                                      The billionaires, by convincing people the rich have a monopoly on violence.

                                      But if anything sparks collective violence, the rich are overthrown within a month.

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                                        Nobody is winning, except that demon capital. The billionaires are just losing less.

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                                        Stop being so rational!!

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                                          You are well beyond "most basic", and also I disagree. Over-attention to detail is a very easy way to make nothing happen at all, which is currently killing people. I'm not the person who's going to map out a detailed plan to get to that society, nor do I think an internet comment section is the place to do that. Especially when what we're talking about is global revolution which absolutely necessitates broad engagement with many many people who don't know all the details and really don't need to. This is a very appropriate context to be talking in broad strokes. And if you want to wait for some perfect plan with every detail in exactly the right place, you'll be waiting until the heat death of the universe.

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                                          You are well beyond "most basic"

                                          No, I'm not. You've provided nothing except some vague allusions to libraries and the Incas. That is not even the most basic level of detail.

                                          Over-attention to detail is a very easy way to make nothing happen at all, which is currently killing people.

                                          Under-attention is a very easy way to make things worse in your recklessness. You think people are dying now, what do you think of going to happen when the entire global economic system is plunged into chaos?

                                          And who is disengaged when discussing details? You think someone like that it's going to be useful at all in a revolution? Under-attention will scare off practical detail oriented people in exchange for the vague approval of lazy dullards. Lazy dullards are not useful to the cause at this stage. Practical detail oriented people are. Under-attention hurts more than over-attention.

                                          nor do I think an internet comment section is the place to do that.

                                          If a worldwide network of like-minded people of various specialties and expertise isn't the place, where is?

                                          Especially when what we're talking about is global revolution which absolutely necessitates broad engagement with many many people who don't know all the details and really don't need to.

                                          You're still putting the cart before the horse. Engagement isn't enough, you actually have to have the plan first before you worry about engagement. I see no plan. You can't have a successful global revolution without a plan, no matter how much engagement you have.

                                          This is a very appropriate context to be talking in broad strokes

                                          You're not taking in broad strokes, "Money bad" isn't useful engagement. You have to pair that with what's good, or you look like a foolish child with cardboard wings.

                                          wait for some perfect plan with every detail in exactly the right place

                                          Again, not talking about a perfect plan, just a plan. It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be practical. "Money bad" is not a plan, "the Incas" is not a plan. I'm not going to encourage jumping off the roof base on stitch vague notions, and I won't sit by while fools do.

                                          Figure out what the replacement is before you dismantle the global economy.

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