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8 billion people vs. 3000 billionaires: Who would win?

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  • zachariah@lemmy.worldZ [email protected]

    That’s because—for many reasons—there are way too many non-billionaires on team billionaire.

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    They think they're on team billionaire but are willful idiots.

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    • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

      If we decide money no longer matters it’d be petty easy to eliminate them all

      Okay, but then where will I get my passive income? I worked 40 years in the shit and rusty needles mine to build up a big enough nest egg to get passive income. Now I'm too full of staff infections and lacerated limbs and shit lung to work anymore.

      I can't afford not to make the next guy work himself to death in the shit rust needle mine.

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      No one needs to work in a shit rust needle mine. Without money you would have community helping & taking care of you based on your needs & listening to your ideas. You would take as much as you need but as little as you can to live happily & work to contribute back.

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      • ekzepp@lemmy.worldE [email protected]

        Why you think they're tossing so much money to develope ai and humanoid robots?

        When shit will hit the fan they want their own private army to watch their ass, but at the same time they don't want highly trained human mercenary inside their golden castel getting strange ideas.

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        Omg you are right on this. They see most of as disposable once they're able to consistently get away with it.

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        • R [email protected]

          The billionaires are already winning, with no signs of that changing.

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          With pessimism like that, we won't get far.

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          • zachariah@lemmy.worldZ [email protected]

            That’s because—for many reasons—there are way too many non-billionaires on team billionaire.

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            I worked with a guy that proudly proclaimed that he voted for the right because they looked after the rich.

            He was not rich, but he purchased lottery tickets weekly and stated he'd rather get screwed while poor than pay more tax if he, some day, became rich.

            And that was the day I realised that we're fucked.

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              Elaborate and explain

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              Billionaires only have power because people do things for them in exchange for money

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              • drdystopia@lemy.lolD [email protected]

                3000 multibillionaires and the trillionaires would win.

                Elaborate and explain

                I am not an LLM AI.

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                It is getting ridiculous how the kids aren't satisfied with just an answer, they want us to guess what their questions may be and pre-emptively explain all of it.

                They put zero effort into forming questions, and just expect everyone to give indepth answers they're not gonna read anyways.

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                  Elaborate and explain

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                  This is happening right now and the billionaires are winning.

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                    Elaborate and explain

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                    The billionaires. People dumb AF. Billionaires have money to manipulate people to think they are doing good while they are fucking humanity.

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                    • skarabrae@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                      I worked with a guy that proudly proclaimed that he voted for the right because they looked after the rich.

                      He was not rich, but he purchased lottery tickets weekly and stated he'd rather get screwed while poor than pay more tax if he, some day, became rich.

                      And that was the day I realised that we're fucked.

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                      Ah, see, what you should have done was.....stabbed him in the eye.

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                      • timewarp@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                        Omg you are right on this. They see most of as disposable once they're able to consistently get away with it.

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                        Which is now. They just need something safe to keep "that" up in the eventuality that civilization/economy collapse.

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                        • zachariah@lemmy.worldZ [email protected]

                          That’s because—for many reasons—there are way too many non-billionaires on team billionaire.

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                          Hey, don't look at me. I'm on team "unexpected astroid hitting the earth to end it all".

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                            Elaborate and explain

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                            Their divide and conquer strategy is busting our asses.

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                            • B [email protected]

                              Okay, then go start organizing?

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                              Don't tell me what to do!

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                              • J [email protected]

                                If we decide money no longer matters it'd be petty easy to eliminate them all. If we continue to let money run our lives then it'll continue to be pretty easy for the people with money to keep all their power.

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                                I mean... money does matter. It matters to the individual because it is how they pay their bills, and it matters to all of humanity because it is how we are able to take coordinated action despite the lack of any central organizer.

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                                  and at least 300 million think there are simply temporarily embarrassed billionaires

                                  Technically that should drop down to ~150 million

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                                  No, no, you don't understand. See, the thing is, America Bad.

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                                  • drdystopia@lemy.lolD [email protected]

                                    3000 multibillionaires and the trillionaires would win.

                                    Elaborate and explain

                                    I am not an LLM AI.

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                                    The problem with your comment is that it is boring. It provides no insight, proposes no causitive mechanisms. Of course, we could follow up and ask you "why?", in order to understand your reasoning, and therefore have an interesting discussion. And in fact, we are so certain that what we actually care about is the reasoning behind the answer, that we may as well ask why in advance.

                                    Almost as if we would like you to... hmm... there are two words...

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                                      It’s funny cause no one seems to realize that the billionaires are human beings. They have a house, they shit, they piss, they bleed, etc. And yet, everyone is somehow convinced that becoming a billionaire makes you somehow invulnerable.

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                                        Hey, don't look at me. I'm on team "unexpected astroid hitting the earth to end it all".

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                                        I was devastated when my candidate never showed up again and again...

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                                          Elaborate and explain

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                                          Billionaires win. They are winning in this world — imagine the world as an arena...

                                          They first reach out to those primed to defect. The ones who think they are defending their own interests because, one day after much bootstrapping, they'll be rich too. That's 10% of the non-billionaire population and a large group of the young, able-bodied, entitled predominantly male population.

                                          Another 10% opt to not fight. They'll wait and see who comes out on top or opt for pacifism — supporting those who fight without fighting themselves.

                                          The next 20% are those who want a compromise — not having the foresight to admit they'll be screwed in the end by the shrewd and wily billionaire class.

                                          That still leaves 4.8 billion people.

                                          Well, another 10% of the planet is malnourished, living in extreme poverty, or are infirm and unable to fight. Take another 10% who lack the capacity to fight effectively, are children, or are exceedingly advanced in age.

                                          We're down to 3.2 billion people.

                                          Of those who remain, each billionaire will need to kill 1 000 000 people in order to win the day. This is achieved by a combination of attacks — nuclear, chemical, biological, conventional, and systemic. Supply lines are cut early, communication lines are jammed, and every possible similarity that could bind 3.2 billion people together is spun into a wedge to divide them. The billionaires are unified behind their purchasing power. Each victorious serves as a message to the remaining people of the fresh horrors to come.

                                          After five or six days, there are 2700 remaining billionaires, who somehow got richer and only 1 billion fighters. Demoralized, decimated, defeated, the non-billionaires give in.

                                          The one strategy that would — nay, could — turn the tables is to upend the tables. Make money worthless. In some minds, this is the Purge. This is the antithesis.

                                          Instead, as a thesis: truly valuing life and living things, the fragile interdependence of ecology within an economic, social, and anthropological order would negate any power that the death-driven cult of profiteering offers. I'm not talking about sitting in a circle and singing kumbaya into eternity. I am talking about doing the work of eternity — stewardship for a planet we understand (not just its commodities) and community for all participants (not just the economically viable). We can learn from one another and grow with one another without exploiting or reinforcing one another's weaknesses.

                                          Takers like to quote Adam Smith, Sun Tzu, or the 48 Laws of Power. The battles we do not fight will feed us. The fields we do not raze will house us. The oceans we do not destroy will connect us. The planet we treat like a home instead of a hole in the ground will support us.

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