Could China-Europe tensions be easing with a flurry of French and EU diplomacy?
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I've read on a few websites specializing in geopolitics that the trump administration is attempting something called a 'reverse nixon', to try and drive russia and china apart. Is this a factor in the EU trying to form a closer relationship with china?
Honestly the EU can't afford to be picky right now. That's probably all there's to it. My enemie's enemy and so on. Our beliefs are still fundamentally incompatible and each side would prefer to see the other side as week as possible. That's not a foundation for an actual close relationship. More like a Stalin Truman dynamic.
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I've read on a few websites specializing in geopolitics that the trump administration is attempting something called a 'reverse nixon', to try and drive russia and china apart. Is this a factor in the EU trying to form a closer relationship with china?
Trumps adoration and wish to mimic anti-democratic dictators has long preceded the closing ties of China and Russia.
Geopolitical analysts are trying to rationalize the actions of a megalomanic narcissist who has no interests beyond making himself look good. It is a case of "If Your Only Tool Is a Hammer Then Every Problem Looks Like a Nail".
This is a case for a psycoanalyst, not geopolitical analysts. Trump is not trying to do some grand strategic reverse-Nixon, he just has a bro-crush on Putin and wants to be like him and be his friend.
EU and China are just acting as two rational geopolitical actors: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". It should be noted that EU doesn't have any territorial beefs with China, it is all economics and trade issues. Which both are interested in solving or hitting pause on while they deal with Trump who contests territorial claims of both EU and China.
If anything, Trump is doing an inverted-Nixon, pushing his allies closer to China, and pulling Russia closer to US. Not in the interests of USA, but in all in an attempt to make himself look good and to live up to his dream of being a land-conquering dictator like Putin.
That my analysis anyway.
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The South China Morning Post is one of the Chinese Communist Party's propaganda media outlets owned by Alibaba Group. This "article" comes essentially from the dictatorship's office.
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Trumps adoration and wish to mimic anti-democratic dictators has long preceded the closing ties of China and Russia.
Geopolitical analysts are trying to rationalize the actions of a megalomanic narcissist who has no interests beyond making himself look good. It is a case of "If Your Only Tool Is a Hammer Then Every Problem Looks Like a Nail".
This is a case for a psycoanalyst, not geopolitical analysts. Trump is not trying to do some grand strategic reverse-Nixon, he just has a bro-crush on Putin and wants to be like him and be his friend.
EU and China are just acting as two rational geopolitical actors: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". It should be noted that EU doesn't have any territorial beefs with China, it is all economics and trade issues. Which both are interested in solving or hitting pause on while they deal with Trump who contests territorial claims of both EU and China.
If anything, Trump is doing an inverted-Nixon, pushing his allies closer to China, and pulling Russia closer to US. Not in the interests of USA, but in all in an attempt to make himself look good and to live up to his dream of being a land-conquering dictator like Putin.
That my analysis anyway.
In 'The Foundation Of Geopolitcs' by Aleksandr Dugin, he says
The People's Republic of China, which represents an extreme geopolitical danger as an ideological enemy to the independent Russian Federation, "must, to the maximum degree possible, be dismantled".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
The Ukraine war has forged a relationship between russia and china that the USA wants an end to.
Just trying to understand what's going on and Europe's geopolitical maneuvers.
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The South China Morning Post is one of the Chinese Communist Party's propaganda media outlets owned by Alibaba Group. This "article" comes essentially from the dictatorship's office.
Yep, so what's their motive in publishing this?
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Yep, so what's their motive in publishing this?
It is a propaganda outlet, so their motive to publish is to spread the fascist and totalitarian propaganda to support their dictatorial policy. The same policy, you know, that decisively support Russia in its war against Ukraine and, therefore, is threatening Europe's security. Something from such a 'source' should not be posted here.
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It is a propaganda outlet, so their motive to publish is to spread the fascist and totalitarian propaganda to support their dictatorial policy. The same policy, you know, that decisively support Russia in its war against Ukraine and, therefore, is threatening Europe's security. Something from such a 'source' should not be posted here.
But we have to deal with them. They are a superpower, a rival to the USA. I'm not saying we should believe what they say, but analyse why they are saying it. We cannot just ignore them as Europeans.
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But we have to deal with them. They are a superpower, a rival to the USA. I'm not saying we should believe what they say, but analyse why they are saying it. We cannot just ignore them as Europeans.
We have to discuss everything, but there should be no content posted from any extremist right-wing (or left-wing) sources, no propaganda outlets, let alone if the governments behind actively threaten European security. China is the same unreliable and authoritarian dictatorship we have seen already before this Florida man took over across the Herring Pond. Such a source should not be posted imo.
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In 'The Foundation Of Geopolitcs' by Aleksandr Dugin, he says
The People's Republic of China, which represents an extreme geopolitical danger as an ideological enemy to the independent Russian Federation, "must, to the maximum degree possible, be dismantled".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
The Ukraine war has forged a relationship between russia and china that the USA wants an end to.
Just trying to understand what's going on and Europe's geopolitical maneuvers.
What are you doing here?
Alexandr Dugin is a strong supporter of Vladimir Putin who is often referred to "Putin's brain". Putin's politics and his propganda content echoes Dugin's "philosophy" to a large part. Dugin vocally supported the Russian annexation of Crimea in 2014, and since 2022 has supported its full invasion of Ukraine as representing a battle against "absolute Evil, embodied in Western civilisation, its liberal-totalitarian hegemony and in Ukrainian Nazism".
What this man is saying is the worst of extremist and derailed propganda.
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Yep, so what's their motive in publishing this?
As an addition to what I have already written in this thread (and having read your other comment here), the question is rather what your motive is in publishing this Chinese and Russian authoritarian propaganda like SCMP and Dugin.
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What are you doing here?
Alexandr Dugin is a strong supporter of Vladimir Putin who is often referred to "Putin's brain". Putin's politics and his propganda content echoes Dugin's "philosophy" to a large part. Dugin vocally supported the Russian annexation of Crimea in 2014, and since 2022 has supported its full invasion of Ukraine as representing a battle against "absolute Evil, embodied in Western civilisation, its liberal-totalitarian hegemony and in Ukrainian Nazism".
What this man is saying is the worst of extremist and derailed propganda.
Hotznplotzn wrote:
"What are you doing here?"
I'm trying to analyse our adversaries.
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As an addition to what I have already written in this thread (and having read your other comment here), the question is rather what your motive is in publishing this Chinese and Russian authoritarian propaganda like SCMP and Dugin.
My motive is to analyse our advrsaries. I am European, and I am a fervent believer in a united Europe, and anybody who is trying to break us apart is my enemy.
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In 'The Foundation Of Geopolitcs' by Aleksandr Dugin, he says
The People's Republic of China, which represents an extreme geopolitical danger as an ideological enemy to the independent Russian Federation, "must, to the maximum degree possible, be dismantled".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
The Ukraine war has forged a relationship between russia and china that the USA wants an end to.
Just trying to understand what's going on and Europe's geopolitical maneuvers.
You won't find what Trump is thinking by analyzing the works of Alexandr Dugin, nor the intentions of Europe/EU. Please don't read that extremist propaganda, it will not do you any good. He is probably clinically insane.
While Putin does like some of what he is writing, I am absolutely certain he is cherrypicking what he likes from it and ignores the rest. But Putin is probably also clinically insane, so that doesn't really help...
Also, Putin and by tradition Russia considers EVERYONE an existential enemy, unless they completely submit to Russia and Putin. The Russians have a saying: "Russia only has two allies, the army and the navy." That probably tells you everything you need to know.
What is more interesting to me is what China thinks of Russia and EU. If you can find a credible work on that, I'd be interested.
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We have to discuss everything, but there should be no content posted from any extremist right-wing (or left-wing) sources, no propaganda outlets, let alone if the governments behind actively threaten European security. China is the same unreliable and authoritarian dictatorship we have seen already before this Florida man took over across the Herring Pond. Such a source should not be posted imo.
It's one of the few English speaking sources from China. That fact alone makes it already clear that it is a propaganda outlet mostly aimed at foreigners, but if you are aware of that, it can be a legitimate source to see how the Chinese government wants to spin a certain topic in the eyes of a foreign audience.
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It's one of the few English speaking sources from China. That fact alone makes it already clear that it is a propaganda outlet mostly aimed at foreigners, but if you are aware of that, it can be a legitimate source to see how the Chinese government wants to spin a certain topic in the eyes of a foreign audience.
First, not all here are supposedly aware that this media outlet is propaganda, but even if so, there is no need for this garbage imo. And, second, the same user cited Alexandr Dugin, one of Putin's most derailed propaganda figures (who support Russia's invasion because, according to Dugin, all Ukrainians are 'nazis' - Dugin is one of the Russian figures from whom this and other repugnant slurs come from, used by Russia to justify the war).
That aside, you and me (together wirh a couple of others if I remember that right) had a discussion in another thread some time ago. Back then you, poVoq, argued to explicitly allow propaganda, so I am -unfortunately- not surprised here.
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First, not all here are supposedly aware that this media outlet is propaganda, but even if so, there is no need for this garbage imo. And, second, the same user cited Alexandr Dugin, one of Putin's most derailed propaganda figures (who support Russia's invasion because, according to Dugin, all Ukrainians are 'nazis' - Dugin is one of the Russian figures from whom this and other repugnant slurs come from, used by Russia to justify the war).
That aside, you and me (together wirh a couple of others if I remember that right) had a discussion in another thread some time ago. Back then you, poVoq, argued to explicitly allow propaganda, so I am -unfortunately- not surprised here.
The argument was more nuanced. Using moderation to suppress differing opinions (which, yes, tend to be influenced by propaganda), usually just results in people switching to pure propaganda bubbles, which is much worse.
Pointing out here in the comments that SCMP is a Chinese propaganda outlet is fine. That way even people unaware of it previously can come to their own conclusions.
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The argument was more nuanced. Using moderation to suppress differing opinions (which, yes, tend to be influenced by propaganda), usually just results in people switching to pure propaganda bubbles, which is much worse.
Pointing out here in the comments that SCMP is a Chinese propaganda outlet is fine. That way even people unaware of it previously can come to their own conclusions.
The argument was more nuanced.
'More nuanced'? You even got offensive as practically all others in this thread back then had a different opinion. People switch to pure propaganda bubbles anyway, whether or not you are explicitly fine with Chinese and Russian propaganda. There's is no excuse for that.
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The argument was more nuanced.
'More nuanced'? You even got offensive as practically all others in this thread back then had a different opinion. People switch to pure propaganda bubbles anyway, whether or not you are explicitly fine with Chinese and Russian propaganda. There's is no excuse for that.
I didn't get offensive, but yes I noticed a certain group-think here when it comes to such things. But that is why places like lemmy.ml that enforce similar group-think via moderation actions are worse than what we are trying to do here.
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I didn't get offensive, but yes I noticed a certain group-think here when it comes to such things. But that is why places like lemmy.ml that enforce similar group-think via moderation actions are worse than what we are trying to do here.
You are explicitly accepting here the worst of disinformation (in violation of the comm's rule, btw). And you have been offending people, just read your comments back then.
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You are explicitly accepting here the worst of disinformation (in violation of the comm's rule, btw). And you have been offending people, just read your comments back then.
There is a difference between propaganda (which is usually true but with omissions and spins), and "missinformation" (like for example posting false personal details about an attacker in the immediate aftermath to spurr racial hatred), and no the above is not "the worst of", but it seems the kind you especially don't like
And please don't make accusations without backing that up with actual links. I am not aware of offending anyone here in this community, and it certainly wasn't intentional.
