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Brussels is ‘behind the curve’ as Chinese spy-EVs become commonplace

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  • G [email protected]

    I think calling it fear mongering against EVs is right in the sense that it's not exclusive to EVs. All cars have cameras, microphones and sensors these days and are connected, so legislation should deal with that properly.

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    We agree on that

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    • H [email protected]

      It is certainly a very big problem that needs to be addressed, otherwise it could soon be the biggest problem in the world.

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      What do you propose?

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      • S [email protected]

        This is a horrible take. VW are diligent in following GDPR and as an owner (yes, I am) you are constantly asked for exactly which permissions you want to give what service.

        "I'd like the variant without a SIM card please."

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        That's against EU regulation, as new cars must include an SOS assistance button.

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          That's against EU regulation, as new cars must include an SOS assistance button.

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          That’s against EU regulation, as new cars must include an SOS assistance button. (Granted, many car manufacturers hide multiple SIM cards in their vehicles now. Or they use the existing SIM card for navigation, music, analytics, GBs of software updates … and emergency assistance.)

          Fair, that's technically a SIM, but as you yourself noted, it's not the one used by the manufacturer.
          Maybe I should phrase it another way:
          "Dear manufacturer, I'd like my business relationship with you to end after the purchase of this car. I will contact you if I need anything else, be it navigation, music, analytics, or updates. You will not contact me."

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            This is a horrible take. VW are diligent in following GDPR and as an owner (yes, I am) you are constantly asked for exactly which permissions you want to give what service.

            "I'd like the variant without a SIM card please."

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            Don't buy features you don't want.

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              Don't buy features you don't want.

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              You can't buy a car that had its model registration in the EU after 2019 in the EU that hasn't a SIM Card installed as it is part of an EU legislation.

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                “I’d like the variant without a SIM card please.”
                Don’t buy features you don’t want.

                Well yes, that's what I was saying. Are you saying a VW vendor will not only sell me a car without any non-mandated communication modules but also give me a better price for it because it amounts to the car having fewer features? That's actually good news.

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                • P [email protected]

                  At this point, all Vehicles are spying. It's not exclusive for EVs. Anything built in the last ~15-20 years have exactly the same sensors, regardless of the engine technology.

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                  While I agree that it's not exclusive to EVs, I'm pretty sure it was not as bad 15 years ago. For example my Toyota Yaris from 2010 certainly cannot transmit to the outside world (even Bluetooth was an extra back then).

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                  • H [email protected]

                    It is certainly a very big problem that needs to be addressed, otherwise it could soon be the biggest problem in the world.

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                    To be honest, if I had to choose a dictatorship to be conquered by I'd pick China over the US hands down. My antipathy for racist macho morons runs deep.

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                    • S [email protected]

                      This is a horrible take. VW are diligent in following GDPR and as an owner (yes, I am) you are constantly asked for exactly which permissions you want to give what service.

                      "I'd like the variant without a SIM card please."

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                      I'm currently fighting with Toyota over that very issue. I told them I want a new RAV4 Prime without the sim installed.

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                        Software is like encryption. you can't trust it if it's not auditable.

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                        Well yeah but Automotive Grade Linux is open source fully (unless there is soemthing I didnt know as far I know) and is auditable

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