'Every word has come back to haunt me': China cracks down on women who write gay erotica
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You've literally defined the argument of an opposing group to look stupid so you can dunk on them. You're arguing with a straw man. This isn't even a critique of your rhetorical basis though, it's just normal Internet lameness.
You cannot present a strawman argument when the side you are arguing against isn't present. Thus I was not making a straw man. That's just insulting tankies
Don't bring these up unless you understand them and in this case you do not.
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You cannot present a strawman argument when the side you are arguing against isn't present. Thus I was not making a straw man. That's just insulting tankies
Don't bring these up unless you understand them and in this case you do not.
Lol, what? Do you seriously think you cannot create a straw man argument in anything but direct debate? Sure Mr. Smartman.
Hint, logical fallacies are about the logic, not the debate.
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Lol, what? Do you seriously think you cannot create a straw man argument in anything but direct debate? Sure Mr. Smartman.
Hint, logical fallacies are about the logic, not the debate.
I think you need to be actually arguing with someone to make an argument against them, yes. You cannot make an argument when you aren't doing so. You need to be debating to make logical fallacies. No one was doing that hence no one made a strawman argument.
Do you need this further explained? No argument was made. The side you are claiming I am making a strawman argument against is not present. There is no debate.
You used it wrong. Learn from this and move on. Don't misuse them in the future.
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The background of the matter transcends conflicts over gender concepts. In recent years, many local governments have been unable to cover their expenses, resulting in a phenomenon known as "distant sea fishing" (远洋捕捞), which refers to "profit-driven law enforcement," aimed at plundering money from other places. These female writers are just a tiny fraction of the victims. There are also well-known entrepreneurs who have lost their lives due to such extortion.
There are also well-known entrepreneurs who have lost their lives due to such extortion.
I'd be interested to read more, but I'm not sure I've heard about "distant sea fishing" before. Can you pass the articles/links to the stories you're referencing?
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"The Chinese government wants to promote traditional family values and liking danmei novels is seen as a factor in making women less willing to have children," Dr Ge explains.
It's the same among "Conservatives" in the US, Russia, and now apparently China.
They all say that we'd need "high birth rates", which is just not true.
Think about it: Automation and AI have the potential to put lots of people into unemployment in the next 20 years. For the sake of preventing that unemployment, it'd be good if people had fewer kids. Yet for some reason, governments struggle really hard to comprehend that simple connection.
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Authoritarians gonna authoritarian regardless of economic model.
It’s funny though, because despite some leftover socialist aesthetic its hard to get more capitalist. I mean it’s pretty obvious state capitalism. You can’t have billionaires 80 years into your “socialist project”.
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From what i take from the article, it's mostly about people who earn money through erotic fiction?
I.e., i personally see a difference between producing erotic fiction for fun, and producing it for monetary rewards. I guess the argument could be that if you do it for a monetary reward, you're not contributing to society in a measurable way, which is why it's difficult to earn money with it; similar to gambling or making money on recreational drugs.
I guess a counterargument to that could be that writing erotic fiction does contribute to society, similar to how developing video games does, because it contributes to the mental wellbeing of the people.
I'm not saying that the arrests were right; just trying to come up with possible ways to look at this (by playing devil's advocate). And countering these arguments as well.
Nothing to do with that, China bans all explicit content, whether it's porn videos, photos, or in suggestive text form.
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The US is part of the west. If it happens in the US, it happens in the west, because the US is in the west.
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It's really weird and kinda reddit-like to see a human rights violation and twist the story to be about some online community.
THIS IS JUST LIKE THAT ONE ANIME
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I know nothing about Chinese child care, but reading that the government wishes for more child rearing, might it be that there are other systemic problems like no access to child care facilities, a culture that doesn't value women and people exhausted by long work days? I might have read that this is part of the root cause in korea.
But sure, some gay novels might also be the reason for significant numbers.
Overall the Chinese are somewhat known for pragmatic approaches, why chasing illusions in this case? The total number of readers and writers can't be that huge can't it?wrote on last edited by [email protected]other systemic problems like no access to child care facilities, a culture that doesn’t value women and people exhausted by long work days? I might have read that this is part of the root cause in korea.
I dare say that that's probably not the cause why women today want to have no or fewer children.
I suspect it's more about economic factors, such as the prospect of having a stable job for the next 40 years, and the prospect of stability that this brings. Society changes so rapidly that it would be absurd to think that people are still gonna have well-paying jobs in 40 years. We're already seeing a Cost-of-Living crisis today, or rather, a crisis of jobs not paying a living wage. That's only gonna get more severe over time.
Compare that to other cultures around the world (consider developing countries such as rural africa was 30+ years ago, and medieval europe). They had rough lifes and often didn't value women. But they had Stability: They could be reasonably certain that their living conditions should be roughly the same in 40+ years from now, so they can have some children. If they can feed them today, the children will be able to feed themselves in 40 years. Because society was static like that.
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wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yeah India is a striking example of a place where porn really NEEDS to be legal. Way too many horny single men there.
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I think you need to be actually arguing with someone to make an argument against them, yes. You cannot make an argument when you aren't doing so. You need to be debating to make logical fallacies. No one was doing that hence no one made a strawman argument.
Do you need this further explained? No argument was made. The side you are claiming I am making a strawman argument against is not present. There is no debate.
You used it wrong. Learn from this and move on. Don't misuse them in the future.
Lol, sure man. Definitely no one ever makes an argument in an editorial. It's not possible as their opponent is not present, may not even read it, and frequently will not be allowed to publish a rebuttal to the same audience.
Arguments are about the audience, not the opponent. Making a straw man when your opponent is not present is the most common form of the fallacy. When they're there they might just say that's not what they're argument is.
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From what i take from the article, it's mostly about people who earn money through erotic fiction?
I.e., i personally see a difference between producing erotic fiction for fun, and producing it for monetary rewards. I guess the argument could be that if you do it for a monetary reward, you're not contributing to society in a measurable way, which is why it's difficult to earn money with it; similar to gambling or making money on recreational drugs.
I guess a counterargument to that could be that writing erotic fiction does contribute to society, similar to how developing video games does, because it contributes to the mental wellbeing of the people.
I'm not saying that the arrests were right; just trying to come up with possible ways to look at this (by playing devil's advocate). And countering these arguments as well.
no disrespect, what the hell are you talking about
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You know this is bad when even Hexbear isn't defending it. https://hexbear.net/post/5403841
LGBT rights are human rights, everywhere.
All the posts I read were defending or excusing it.
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Lol, sure man. Definitely no one ever makes an argument in an editorial. It's not possible as their opponent is not present, may not even read it, and frequently will not be allowed to publish a rebuttal to the same audience.
Arguments are about the audience, not the opponent. Making a straw man when your opponent is not present is the most common form of the fallacy. When they're there they might just say that's not what they're argument is.
This wasn't an editorial. It was a snarky comment that you inappropriately are trying to make into an argument because you completely misread the situation
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"I've been warned not to talk about it," the woman wrote, before revealing snippets of the day she says she was arrested for publishing gay erotica.
"I'll never forget it - being escorted to the car in full view, enduring the humiliation of stripping naked for examination in front of strangers, putting on a vest for photos, sitting in the chair, shaking with fear, my heart pounding."
The handle, Pingping Anan Yongfu, is among at least 8 in recent months which have shared accounts on Chinese social media platform Weibo of being arrested for publishing gay erotic fiction. As authors recounted their experiences, dozens of lawyers offered pro bono help.
At least 30 writers, nearly all of them women in their 20s, have been arrested across the country since February, a lawyer defending one told the BBC. Many are out on bail or awaiting trial, but some are still in custody. Another lawyer told the BBC that many more contributors were summoned for questioning.
As much as I like to stan China for how they treat their billionaires and corporations, this is wrong. Sex work, in all its forms, is a valid, lucrative, and old line of work across the world. China is one of the most developed nations on Earth. They should also be the most progressive when it comes to this. Smh
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wrote on last edited by [email protected]Antarctica
Data unavailableWhy am I reminded of one old comic? It went like this:
(Scientists on an Antarctic base)
Scientist 1: (Finishes talking about something normal)
Scientist 2: (Disheveled and visibly unhinged) "Well none of that shit matters. Do you know what happened to my stack of Playboy magazines?"
Scientist 1: (Now also suddenly disheveled and visibly unhinged, whips out a knife) "They're mine now!"
Scientist 2: (Also whips out a knife) "Oh yeah?"
Scientist 1: "Yeah! What are you gonna do about it?"
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It's the same among "Conservatives" in the US, Russia, and now apparently China.
They all say that we'd need "high birth rates", which is just not true.
Think about it: Automation and AI have the potential to put lots of people into unemployment in the next 20 years. For the sake of preventing that unemployment, it'd be good if people had fewer kids. Yet for some reason, governments struggle really hard to comprehend that simple connection.
Automation and AI have the potential to put lots of people into unemployment in the next 20 years. For the sake of preventing that unemployment, it’d be good if people had fewer kids. Yet for some reason, governments struggle really hard to comprehend that simple connection.
Because they assume all people will be consumers of goods. So if they have more people, there will be more consumers to buy things.
Now the assumption falls apart in any rigor since automation means that less people are needed for labor and would have money to buy gods. But that requires a government that thinks beyond the limited lifetimes of those running the government.
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"I've been warned not to talk about it," the woman wrote, before revealing snippets of the day she says she was arrested for publishing gay erotica.
"I'll never forget it - being escorted to the car in full view, enduring the humiliation of stripping naked for examination in front of strangers, putting on a vest for photos, sitting in the chair, shaking with fear, my heart pounding."
The handle, Pingping Anan Yongfu, is among at least 8 in recent months which have shared accounts on Chinese social media platform Weibo of being arrested for publishing gay erotic fiction. As authors recounted their experiences, dozens of lawyers offered pro bono help.
At least 30 writers, nearly all of them women in their 20s, have been arrested across the country since February, a lawyer defending one told the BBC. Many are out on bail or awaiting trial, but some are still in custody. Another lawyer told the BBC that many more contributors were summoned for questioning.
It's upsetting how western voices wouldn't matter in this discourse but I hope progressives in china will be able to campaign against this and make porn legal and commercially available or atleast present under a government organisation
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It's upsetting how western voices wouldn't matter in this discourse but I hope progressives in china will be able to campaign against this and make porn legal and commercially available or atleast present under a government organisation
Yeah porn is so empowering.. Very progressive
