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Pokemon Legends Z-A's visuals aren't "great" say former Nintendo marketing leads, but hope Switch 2 could allow Game Freak to "go back to the drawing board"

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  • C [email protected]

    Maybe Game Freak shouldn't be the guys making Pokémon anymore

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    Have they discovered terrain yet, or is the landscape still a flat plane?

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      the games and cards are fuelled by nostalgia and gambling addictions.

      there is no quality to their game play and pokemon go was a massive invasion of privacy through tracking data.

      fuck pokemon.

      MTG IS THE GOAT.

      edit: the irony of my statement is not lost on me, thats why its a joke :D. but since yall former redditors like to argue so much.

      MTG is a better TCG. theres no getting around quality of game play as well as gameplay support. ive never met a pokemon card enthusiast who actually plays the card game instead of just raw collecting, and ive met A LOT of them (i was one, as a younger man, and have spent decades at conventions and in TCG shops, events, etc) as opposed to MTG players where its 95% about deck building and play for them. collecting is a huge component of MTG, however a cards financial cost is secondary to most MTG players, as opposed to card GAMEPLAY value.

      ive collected both, and played both since the 90's.

      pokemon relies on merchandizing, video games, and TV shows, whereas MTG is just 99% cards, newer card game simulators that most people dislike (go Xmage, though) and some loose lore.

      theres just no contest when it comes to TCG gameplay. sorry, not sorry.

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      the games and cards are fuelled by nostalgia and gambling addictions.

      MTG IS THE GOAT.

      You flip-flopped real fast on your principles there I see.

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      • C [email protected]

        I don't disagree that the graphics could and probably should have been better. I do disagree with the idea that it's anything more than a minor annoyance with no meaningful impact on the game.

        However, regardless of what I think about it, my point was that at this point in the franchise, Gamefreak, the Pokemon Company, and Nintendo have demonstrated repeatedly since the very first game that optimization, stability, graphical fidelity, and any semblance of good development practices are not something they're willing to commit to. Expecting that to change at this point is unreasonable and continuing to complain about it is demonstrably unproductive and just introduces pointless negativity into the pokemon community.

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        Until Sword and Shield, the games weren't known to be ugly, buggy messes. People have, and continue to, praise the 2D pixel art of previous generations. Sun and Moon is an odd middle ground as some people started to not like the 3D direction, but thought it'd improve on a more powerful console, like the Switch. I don't think it's correct saying this is a staple of pokemon games. It's a staple of modern pokemon games, which I absolutely disagree about the last 2 entries being the best. Far from it.

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          Until Sword and Shield, the games weren't known to be ugly, buggy messes. People have, and continue to, praise the 2D pixel art of previous generations. Sun and Moon is an odd middle ground as some people started to not like the 3D direction, but thought it'd improve on a more powerful console, like the Switch. I don't think it's correct saying this is a staple of pokemon games. It's a staple of modern pokemon games, which I absolutely disagree about the last 2 entries being the best. Far from it.

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          I was more thinking of the N64 and GameCube games (Stadium 1&2, Colloseum, and XD Gale of Darkness) when referencing older games with poor graphics specifically. All four of those games were graphically inferior to other titles on the same consoles.

          However, every single release has been plagued by bugs that can result in completely corrupted save data, softlocks, and a wide variety of other unexpected behaviors. Major examples being MissingNo and the other glitch pokemon, bad eggs, a wide variety of exploitable, but potentially save corrupting bugs like the infinite item glitches in gens 1-3, and a whole host of bugs that break how moves are supposed to work in battle.

          Hell, shinies were originally a graphical bug in gen 2.

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          • E [email protected]

            I will never understand Nintendo.

            They make a console that is underpowered but is still marketable because of its uniqueness, then they make first party games that require better performance than the console can deliver.

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            Pokémon is not a first party game, it's developed by Game Freaks. And the Switch isn't underpowered for this kind of games, there are lots of better looking games on it, such as Breath of the Wild, which is a launch title. Game Freaks is a terrible studio who can't make a game run smoothly even with GameCube graphics.

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              I know multiple people who complain about every release and then buy it, preferably both versions. A few even complaint there's no third edition to buy anymore.

              If anything, GF could reduce their quality even more.

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              Then there's me: not buying the console or the game, playing it emulated at better fps and higher resolution for like 20 minutes just to say "I knew it" and never touching the game again.

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                I know multiple people who complain about every release and then buy it, preferably both versions. A few even complaint there's no third edition to buy anymore.

                If anything, GF could reduce their quality even more.

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                Been clean since Sun/Moon.

                I was disappointed with X/Y and gave them one last chance to change course.

                The disappointing dungeons of X/Y had been replaced by nothing by straight lines with occasional fancy camera angles. The utter disgrace that was Z Cave as a super (only) dungeon was more than anything Sun/Moon offered.

                For a game series meant to be about exploring and discovering monsters to collect, they've really let the exploration/discovery side down. Holding my console upside down is cool and all that, but gimmicks to sell strategy guides are no subsidy for actual explorable environments to lead to dynamic, emergent gameplay experiences.

                Really want to make my take on a monster capture world explorer. I think there's a lot of space for a spiritual successor to Pokémon.

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                  the games and cards are fuelled by nostalgia and gambling addictions.

                  there is no quality to their game play and pokemon go was a massive invasion of privacy through tracking data.

                  fuck pokemon.

                  MTG IS THE GOAT.

                  edit: the irony of my statement is not lost on me, thats why its a joke :D. but since yall former redditors like to argue so much.

                  MTG is a better TCG. theres no getting around quality of game play as well as gameplay support. ive never met a pokemon card enthusiast who actually plays the card game instead of just raw collecting, and ive met A LOT of them (i was one, as a younger man, and have spent decades at conventions and in TCG shops, events, etc) as opposed to MTG players where its 95% about deck building and play for them. collecting is a huge component of MTG, however a cards financial cost is secondary to most MTG players, as opposed to card GAMEPLAY value.

                  ive collected both, and played both since the 90's.

                  pokemon relies on merchandizing, video games, and TV shows, whereas MTG is just 99% cards, newer card game simulators that most people dislike (go Xmage, though) and some loose lore.

                  theres just no contest when it comes to TCG gameplay. sorry, not sorry.

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                  I'll respect the pokémon card game for demolishing reprint equity and making sure the meta cards are easily and cheaply available to players.

                  The card game gameplay, and high level competitive battling, while not M:tG good, are still both solid though. Closer to Magic than they are Yu-Gi-Oh.

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                    the games and cards are fuelled by nostalgia and gambling addictions.

                    MTG IS THE GOAT.

                    You flip-flopped real fast on your principles there I see.

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                    thats the joke 😄

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                    • J [email protected]

                      Your view on this franchise is very surface level

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                      explain in detail?

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