What do you believe in?
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So 1000sqft for a couple, 1500 for a family of 3?
That seems pretty reasonable, though I'm not sure it really scales linearly. My wife and I live in appx. 1000sqft, and that's really plenty for us. An extra 500sqft seems about right when we have a kid, but another 500 for each additional kid would be excessive.
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A theory I’ve been working on lately is that our worldview rests on certain foundational beliefs - beliefs that can’t be objectively proven or disproven. We don’t arrive at them through reason alone but end up adopting the one that feels intuitively true to us, almost as if it chooses us rather than the other way around. One example is the belief in whether or not a god exists. That question sits at the root of a person’s worldview, and everything else tends to flow logically from it. You can’t meaningfully claim to believe in God and then live as if He doesn’t exist - the structure has to be internally consistent.
That’s why I find it mostly futile to argue about downstream issues like abortion with someone whose core belief system is fundamentally different. It’s like chipping away at the chimney when the foundation is what really holds everything up. If the foundation shifts, the rest tends to collapse on its own.
So in other words: even if we agree on the facts, we may still arrive at different conclusions because of our beliefs. When it comes to knowledge, there’s only one thing I see as undeniably true - and you probably agree with me on this: my consciousness, the fact of subjective experience. Everything else is up for debate - and I truly mean everything.
Maybe a god's existence is a core belief for some people, but it shouldn't be. There shouldn't be anything you believe without a logical reason to.
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Maybe a god's existence is a core belief for some people, but it shouldn't be. There shouldn't be anything you believe without a logical reason to.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]“Why is there something rather than nothing?” is a valid question - and the idea that something created it isn’t entirely unthinkable. The point is that you can’t prove or disprove it. Not believing in God is just as much a foundational belief as believing in one. Much of what you think about the world is built on these core beliefs - the kind that, if proven wrong, would effectively collapse your entire worldview.
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“Why is there something rather than nothing?” is a valid question - and the idea that something created it isn’t entirely unthinkable. The point is that you can’t prove or disprove it. Not believing in God is just as much a foundational belief as believing in one. Much of what you think about the world is built on these core beliefs - the kind that, if proven wrong, would effectively collapse your entire worldview.
Ok, let's take a step backwards. How are you defining 'god'?
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Ok, let's take a step backwards. How are you defining 'god'?
Personally, I consider it synonymous with “creator,” but even if someone believes in a biblical God, that’s beside the point. While the idea of a biblical God is an entirely unconvincing concept to me, I still give it - or something like it - a greater-than-zero chance of actually existing. I can’t prove otherwise.
Another example of a belief like that would be belief in the physical world around you. You could be dreaming - or in a simulation.
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Personally, I consider it synonymous with “creator,” but even if someone believes in a biblical God, that’s beside the point. While the idea of a biblical God is an entirely unconvincing concept to me, I still give it - or something like it - a greater-than-zero chance of actually existing. I can’t prove otherwise.
Another example of a belief like that would be belief in the physical world around you. You could be dreaming - or in a simulation.
So can I clarify that when you're saying
Some people take the existence of god as a brute fact
That you mean
Some people assume that universe was created by something
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So can I clarify that when you're saying
Some people take the existence of god as a brute fact
That you mean
Some people assume that universe was created by something
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Well, that’s not a direct quote from me, but yes - some people assume the universe was created by something. For some, that’s the person running the simulation; for others, it’s the biblical God as described in the Bible, or atleast their interpretation of it.
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Well, that’s not a direct quote from me, but yes - some people assume the universe was created by something. For some, that’s the person running the simulation; for others, it’s the biblical God as described in the Bible, or atleast their interpretation of it.
So if I'm understanding you correctly it's not just that people believe the universe was created by something, but they have a specific idea of what that thing is - eg a conscious, powerful, morally good, knowledgeable being
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So if I'm understanding you correctly it's not just that people believe the universe was created by something, but they have a specific idea of what that thing is - eg a conscious, powerful, morally good, knowledgeable being
I don't see how this is relevant to my theory but yeah, sure.
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Morals are objective.
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I don't see how this is relevant to my theory but yeah, sure.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Ok, now I've clarified what beliefs you think some people assume without evidence, I would still say that believing those things isn't right. You should still have a good reason for believing what you believe, and taking the existence of a conscious creator as given is invalid.
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Ok, now I've clarified what beliefs you think some people assume without evidence, I would still say that believing those things isn't right. You should still have a good reason for believing what you believe, and taking the existence of a conscious creator as given is invalid.
By "those things," you're referring to God or the entity running the simulation? Whether it's a reasonable belief isn’t really relevant from the perspective of the theory itself. You’re still going to encounter people who hold such beliefs - and if you want to change their minds, the better approach is to identify and challenge their underlying beliefs, rather than the ones built on top of them.
Belief in a God or a creator is a foundational belief - being against abortion isn’t. That view only logically follows from the prior belief.
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Morals are objective.
I was talking about this with a coworker recently and I don't believe they are.
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That seems pretty reasonable, though I'm not sure it really scales linearly. My wife and I live in appx. 1000sqft, and that's really plenty for us. An extra 500sqft seems about right when we have a kid, but another 500 for each additional kid would be excessive.
I gave it as an upper bound.
E.g. 3500sqft for a 3-5 person family is way too large.
Mansions are basically an immoral amount of waste/greed (in the realm of >1000sqft per person, or super rich person mansions in the realm of 10,000sqft per person)
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By "those things," you're referring to God or the entity running the simulation? Whether it's a reasonable belief isn’t really relevant from the perspective of the theory itself. You’re still going to encounter people who hold such beliefs - and if you want to change their minds, the better approach is to identify and challenge their underlying beliefs, rather than the ones built on top of them.
Belief in a God or a creator is a foundational belief - being against abortion isn’t. That view only logically follows from the prior belief.
Someone can have a fundamental belief that they shouldn't have.
Someone can also have a derivative belief from another derivative belief, without the prior belief having to be fundamental.
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The world is made of magic, it just differentiated into so many forms, that one of them is science and that's what many people believe is all there is.
I feel in the mood to explain more about this:
Similar to european school's history classes tend to be focused on european history (we call that "eurocentrism"), our worldview is focused on humans, i think that's called "anthropocentrism". While humans are important, it's not everything there is. There's also plants and other living beings, and in fact there's many more of them than of us. I try to consider that.
I'm calling the unity of all life "magic", i came up with that and it's supposed to be a play-on-words on the german word "Magen" (stomach) (representing that plants and animals are connected through an important relationship that is food). Also the stomach is the organ most physiologically/spatially central in the human body, in my opinion. So i imagine that everything's in the human is built around that "central" organ that is the stomach. That makes sense as the intake of food is the root of all animal existence, that enables animal's existence in the first place. Thus "everything is created from the stomach outwards", as supportive organs to help the stomach collect and digest food.
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- The universe and everything in it was made for a reason.
- The message of Jesus, while deformed and deeply mixed with Western nonsense by Rome (polytheism, pagan rites and an immature disregard for self restraint, to name a few), will serve as a basis to unite the West to the rest of the world (up until now it's behaved either as an armed landlord, a mob boss or a deranged killer, and that includes the European colonial project called Israel).
- People are fundamentally kind hearted and prosocial, but unexamined trauma, pettiness and immaturity, and an overall disregard for thought before action (a moral obligation, btw), keeps them from being who they were always supposed to be.
- Hard labels don't/rarely belong in this world, and never apply to people. If you wanna understand the universe and the people in it you're gonna have to understand them as a collection of spectrums/ranges, not as singular adjectives and nouns that are either meaningless or overly exaggerated.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]do you believe that randomness exists?
The universe and everything in it was made for a reason.
I wonder how randomness would fit into this. I believe that randomness does exist and that order/causality has its limits.
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Believing in something seems to imply thinking something to be true without having evidence for it - otherwise it would be knowledge, a justified true belief. So I know a couple things, like that I exist as a conscious being, and have practical empirical knowledge of the rest of the sensory world too.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]What you just uttered is a totally valid belief in my eyes
Beliefs don't always have to be based on mere intuition alone. It's totally fine to be able to back up what one believes with arguments.
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“Why is there something rather than nothing?” is a valid question - and the idea that something created it isn’t entirely unthinkable. The point is that you can’t prove or disprove it. Not believing in God is just as much a foundational belief as believing in one. Much of what you think about the world is built on these core beliefs - the kind that, if proven wrong, would effectively collapse your entire worldview.
What i don't get here is what the existence of a "creator" would have to do with abortion. Just as an example, what if there is a god. What does that tell us about everyday life, or about abortion?
It would be very well conceivable to me that there is a god, but they have no opinion about whether we do abortions or not. How are these things connected?
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Free will is an illusion.
Either as Hard determinism (60% confidence in this theory), or as in some form of Quantum randomness (40% confidence in this theory), you cannot just willy nilly pick something. Its just an algorithm, and, possibly, a little bit of randomness, if Quantum randomness is true.
I always understand "free will" to mean "figure out who you really are". I.e., every person has a certain character from birth, and that just unfolds throughout life. "Free will" is about figuring that out.
