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    Morals are objective.

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      I don't see how this is relevant to my theory but yeah, sure.

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      Ok, now I've clarified what beliefs you think some people assume without evidence, I would still say that believing those things isn't right. You should still have a good reason for believing what you believe, and taking the existence of a conscious creator as given is invalid.

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        Ok, now I've clarified what beliefs you think some people assume without evidence, I would still say that believing those things isn't right. You should still have a good reason for believing what you believe, and taking the existence of a conscious creator as given is invalid.

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        By "those things," you're referring to God or the entity running the simulation? Whether it's a reasonable belief isn’t really relevant from the perspective of the theory itself. You’re still going to encounter people who hold such beliefs - and if you want to change their minds, the better approach is to identify and challenge their underlying beliefs, rather than the ones built on top of them.

        Belief in a God or a creator is a foundational belief - being against abortion isn’t. That view only logically follows from the prior belief.

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          Morals are objective.

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          I was talking about this with a coworker recently and I don't believe they are.

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          • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksA [email protected]

            That seems pretty reasonable, though I'm not sure it really scales linearly. My wife and I live in appx. 1000sqft, and that's really plenty for us. An extra 500sqft seems about right when we have a kid, but another 500 for each additional kid would be excessive.

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            I gave it as an upper bound.

            E.g. 3500sqft for a 3-5 person family is way too large.

            Mansions are basically an immoral amount of waste/greed (in the realm of >1000sqft per person, or super rich person mansions in the realm of 10,000sqft per person)

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              By "those things," you're referring to God or the entity running the simulation? Whether it's a reasonable belief isn’t really relevant from the perspective of the theory itself. You’re still going to encounter people who hold such beliefs - and if you want to change their minds, the better approach is to identify and challenge their underlying beliefs, rather than the ones built on top of them.

              Belief in a God or a creator is a foundational belief - being against abortion isn’t. That view only logically follows from the prior belief.

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              Someone can have a fundamental belief that they shouldn't have.

              Someone can also have a derivative belief from another derivative belief, without the prior belief having to be fundamental.

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                The world is made of magic, it just differentiated into so many forms, that one of them is science and that's what many people believe is all there is.

                I feel in the mood to explain more about this:

                Similar to european school's history classes tend to be focused on european history (we call that "eurocentrism"), our worldview is focused on humans, i think that's called "anthropocentrism". While humans are important, it's not everything there is. There's also plants and other living beings, and in fact there's many more of them than of us. I try to consider that.

                I'm calling the unity of all life "magic", i came up with that and it's supposed to be a play-on-words on the german word "Magen" (stomach) (representing that plants and animals are connected through an important relationship that is food). Also the stomach is the organ most physiologically/spatially central in the human body, in my opinion. So i imagine that everything's in the human is built around that "central" organ that is the stomach. That makes sense as the intake of food is the root of all animal existence, that enables animal's existence in the first place. Thus "everything is created from the stomach outwards", as supportive organs to help the stomach collect and digest food.

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                  • The universe and everything in it was made for a reason.
                  • The message of Jesus, while deformed and deeply mixed with Western nonsense by Rome (polytheism, pagan rites and an immature disregard for self restraint, to name a few), will serve as a basis to unite the West to the rest of the world (up until now it's behaved either as an armed landlord, a mob boss or a deranged killer, and that includes the European colonial project called Israel).
                  • People are fundamentally kind hearted and prosocial, but unexamined trauma, pettiness and immaturity, and an overall disregard for thought before action (a moral obligation, btw), keeps them from being who they were always supposed to be.
                  • Hard labels don't/rarely belong in this world, and never apply to people. If you wanna understand the universe and the people in it you're gonna have to understand them as a collection of spectrums/ranges, not as singular adjectives and nouns that are either meaningless or overly exaggerated.
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                  do you believe that randomness exists?

                  The universe and everything in it was made for a reason.

                  I wonder how randomness would fit into this. I believe that randomness does exist and that order/causality has its limits.

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                  • jackgreenearth@lemm.eeJ [email protected]

                    Believing in something seems to imply thinking something to be true without having evidence for it - otherwise it would be knowledge, a justified true belief. So I know a couple things, like that I exist as a conscious being, and have practical empirical knowledge of the rest of the sensory world too.

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                    What you just uttered is a totally valid belief in my eyes 🙂

                    Beliefs don't always have to be based on mere intuition alone. It's totally fine to be able to back up what one believes with arguments.

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                      “Why is there something rather than nothing?” is a valid question - and the idea that something created it isn’t entirely unthinkable. The point is that you can’t prove or disprove it. Not believing in God is just as much a foundational belief as believing in one. Much of what you think about the world is built on these core beliefs - the kind that, if proven wrong, would effectively collapse your entire worldview.

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                      What i don't get here is what the existence of a "creator" would have to do with abortion. Just as an example, what if there is a god. What does that tell us about everyday life, or about abortion?

                      It would be very well conceivable to me that there is a god, but they have no opinion about whether we do abortions or not. How are these things connected?

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                        Free will is an illusion.

                        Either as Hard determinism (60% confidence in this theory), or as in some form of Quantum randomness (40% confidence in this theory), you cannot just willy nilly pick something. Its just an algorithm, and, possibly, a little bit of randomness, if Quantum randomness is true.

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                        I always understand "free will" to mean "figure out who you really are". I.e., every person has a certain character from birth, and that just unfolds throughout life. "Free will" is about figuring that out.

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                          Everything is objective. Our ability to quantity things is where we consider things to be subjective.

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                            My understanding is that, according to the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, everything that can happen will happen - so for every choice you’ve made, there’s an alternate timeline for every other possible choice you could have made. But it still makes no sense to claim that you could’ve acted differently in this timeline.

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                            Many-worlds is nonsensical mumbo jumbo. It doesn't even make sense without adding an additional unprovable postulate called the universal wave function. Every paper just has to assume it without deriving it from anywhere. If you take MWI and subtract away this arbitrary postulate then you get RQM. MWI - big psi = RQM. So RQM is inherently simpler.

                            Although the simplest explanation isn't even RQM, but to drop the postulate that the world is time-asymmetric. If A causes B and B causes C, one of the assumptions of Bell's theorem is that it would be invalid to say C causes B which then causes A, even though we can compute the time-reverse in quantum mechanics and there is nothing in the theory that tells us the time-reverse is not equally valid.

                            Indeed, that's what unitary evolution means. Unitarity just means time-reversibility. You test if an operator is unitary by multiplying it by its own time-reverse, and if it gives you the identity matrix, meaning it completely cancels itself out, then it's unitary.

                            If you just accept time-symmetry then it is just as valid to say A causes B as it is to say C causes B, as B is connected to both through a local causal chain of events. You can then imagine that if you compute A's impact on B it has ambiguities, and if you compute C's impact on B it also has ambiguities, but if you combine both together the ambiguities disappear and you get an absolutely deterministic value for B.

                            Indeed, it turns out quantum mechanics works precisely like this. If you compute the unitary evolution of a system from a known initial condition to an intermediate point, and the time-reverse of a known final condition to that intermediate point, you can then compute the values of all the observables at that intermediate point. If you repeat this process for all observables in the experiment, you will find that they evolve entirely locally and continuously. Entangled particles form their correlations when they locally interact, not when you later measure them.

                            But for some reason people would rather believe in an infinite multiverse than just accept that quantum mechanics is not a time-asymmetric theory.

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                              Someone can have a fundamental belief that they shouldn't have.

                              Someone can also have a derivative belief from another derivative belief, without the prior belief having to be fundamental.

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                              Whether they should or shouldn’t hold those beliefs is not an objective fact but a value judgment on your part - and either way, it’s entirely unrelated to what I was saying.

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                                What i don't get here is what the existence of a "creator" would have to do with abortion. Just as an example, what if there is a god. What does that tell us about everyday life, or about abortion?

                                It would be very well conceivable to me that there is a god, but they have no opinion about whether we do abortions or not. How are these things connected?

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                                In the case of being anti-abortion, we’re talking about people who believe in the biblical God - and they often point to chapters in the Bible to justify their stance. In most cases, it boils down to the belief that life begins at the moment of conception and that all life is sacred. There are also passages in the Bible that speak about God having plans for unborn children.

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                                  A thing called love

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                                  What is love?

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                                    What is love?

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                                    Baby don't hurt me!

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                                      These are some more lighthearted things, but here goes:

                                      • Sonic the Hedgehog ( Sonic '06 ) wouldn't be as fun of a game if all the bugs and glitches were gone. I live for a good glitch or six sometimes. Same without the highly difficult and janky super speed sections.

                                      • Sonic Unleashed is an amazing game ( but the xbox/ps3 versions are the superior versions, as someone who has beat it on ps2 and xbox360 ).

                                      • Due to the janky turn left/right movements on Sonic Lost World and just general movement jank, I am absolutely glad they have the run button to occasionally slow me down and stop me from dying.

                                      • Also an extreme believer that the special stages ( on the 3DS version of Lost World ) are absolute cancer.

                                      • Wallace and Gromit: Vengeance Most Fowl was nowhere near as good as The Wrong Trousers. I absolutely hated how they made Wallace absolutely incompetent and idiotic when it comes to normal things ( like how to use a non-electric tea pot ) when he didn't have any technology.

                                      • Xbox style controllers with BAXY ( right, down, left, up ) button layout are the way to go. The only exception to that belief right now is my 3rd party wired switch controller because it has a headphone jack.

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                                        It took me longer than I’d like to think of an answer.

                                        Maths.

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                                          Baby don't hurt me!

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                                          Don't hurt me!

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