After 50 million miles, Waymos crash a lot less than human drivers
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I live in Phoenix, Arizona and these are all around. Honestly I feel like the future everyone will have Waymo type services and no one will own cars or even need to learn how to drive one. Who needs to worry about car repairs insurance etc.
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Well if YOU have a bus stop near you then everyone must! That's just science!
Uh, yes, actually. I know someone like you can't even fathom the possibility of a public transit system being well-built, but we've got 80 bus and trolley lines criss-crossing the city.
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Uh, yes, actually. I know someone like you can't even fathom the possibility of a public transit system being well-built, but we've got 80 bus and trolley lines criss-crossing the city.
And all the world is cities! There's noooooooooo other type of living. Your egocentric view of the world is going to carry you really far.
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Because having a bus to pick up 7 people in a day is really efficient economically and environmentally...
For sure. Just cruising around the countryside on the off chance that someone actually needs the bus that day. They haven't for the past few but they have to go shopping eventually.
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That's not out of necessity. It's a design decision. You could have one nearby with the right elected officials and public effort. You also chose where to live, with the ability to know where existing stops are. If you chose the live away from a bus stop or other public transport then that's on you.
So fuck everyone who can't afford to live in the city?
Yea, I can, do, and will vote for officials that want to expand public transit. I also appreciate other efforts being taken, because I don't let perfect be the enemy of the good.
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And all the world is cities! There's noooooooooo other type of living. Your egocentric view of the world is going to carry you really far.
Public transport can, and does work in rural areas too.
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Makes sense. There's less automated cars than human drivers. Human drivers have also been around way longer.
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And all the world is cities! There's noooooooooo other type of living. Your egocentric view of the world is going to carry you really far.
Did you hallucinate that I said anything like it or something? Obviously not every situation is solved by the same concept. Dense city centres -- sidewalks, bike paths, trams, human-scale infrastructure. Suburban areas -- abolish Euclidean zoning, European-style grid streets, buses, local light rail services. Inter-city transit -- high-speed rail. Smaller villages and towns -- regional rail. It's an issue that most of the developed world has solved.
Public transit is not supposed to replace cars altogether, but give people another choice. A transit system that is built well, operated well, and cheap, will reduce the reliance on cars, and make the streets safer for people or services that have to use cars.
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This would be more impressive if Waymos were fully self-driving. They aren't. They depend on remote "navigators" to make many of their most critical decisions. Those "navigators" may or may not be directly controlling the car, but things do not work without them.
When we have automated cars that do not actually rely on human being we will have something to talk about.
It's also worth noting that the human "navigators" are almost always poorly paid workers in third-world countries. The system will only scale if there are enough desperate poor people. Otherwise it quickly become too expensive.
Has anyone found the places where the navigators work to see how it goes? Has a navigator shared their experience on the web somewhere?
I am very curious as to what they are asked to do and for how many cars And for how much money
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Considering the sort of driving issues and code violations I see on a daily basis, the standards for human drivers need raising. The issue is more lax humans than it is amazing robots.
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Musk: but-but-but people don't have lidars and can drive! Lidars are expensive! Tesla go brrrrr.
people ... can drive
Citation needed
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I live in Phoenix, Arizona and these are all around. Honestly I feel like the future everyone will have Waymo type services and no one will own cars or even need to learn how to drive one. Who needs to worry about car repairs insurance etc.
I've rode in them a few times, fell asleep even. I trust a Waymo more than most human drivers. Best test of its capabilities I saw was when school let out and the side road was covered in kids and parents and cars in random spots waiting for people. It stayed in the "lane", no lane lines, and calmly navigated forward as people gave it space. I was in the car the whole time. Still there are some issues to be ironed out, but ultimately I don't think I have ever had a bad riding experience.
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Considering the sort of driving issues and code violations I see on a daily basis, the standards for human drivers need raising. The issue is more lax humans than it is amazing robots.
it's hard to change humans. It's easy to roll out a firmware update.
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Makes sense. There's less automated cars than human drivers. Human drivers have also been around way longer.
They accounted for that in this report. I believe you are a troll.
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Why are we still doing this? Just fucking invest in mass transit like metro, buses and metrobuses. Jesus
Also, Note that this is based on waymo's own assumptions, that's like believing a 5070 gives you 4090 performance...
Why sell $2 light rail fares when you can sell $40 Waymo fares? Now you’re thinking with capitalism!
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They accounted for that in this report. I believe you are a troll.
I believe you are a troll.
Then you don't know what trolling actually is.
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Could a navigator run you over twice from different companies after they get fired from the first one?
God, I hope so.
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I believe you are a troll.
Then you don't know what trolling actually is.
Okay, I'm sorry. Let me clarify how it's easy to account for the kind of bias you're talking about. Simply divide by the population count. So, they divided the waymo crash count by the number of waymos, and the human crash count by the number of humans. This gives the waymo crash rate and the human crash rate. (In reality, it's a bit more complicated, since the human crash rate is calculated independently each year.)
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Okay, I'm sorry. Let me clarify how it's easy to account for the kind of bias you're talking about. Simply divide by the population count. So, they divided the waymo crash count by the number of waymos, and the human crash count by the number of humans. This gives the waymo crash rate and the human crash rate. (In reality, it's a bit more complicated, since the human crash rate is calculated independently each year.)
Let me clarify further: It was an attempt at humor, and not meant to be taken seriously as you are doing.
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Could a navigator run you over twice from different companies after they get fired from the first one?
If they have to do it a second time, they aren't very good at it.
