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After 50 million miles, Waymos crash a lot less than human drivers

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  • J [email protected]

    it's hard to change humans. It's easy to roll out a firmware update.

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    Raising the standards would result in 20-50% of the worst drivers being forced to do something else. If our infrastructure wasn't so car-centric, that would be perfectly fine.

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    • D [email protected]

      What's a zipper merge?

      Screams in Midwestern

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      I have spent many years in both the midwest and the south.

      In some areas of the south, people drive extremely aggressively and there are lots of issues with compliance to various traffic laws but it is usually not difficult to get over if you need to. People will let you in. The zipper merge is a well-honed machine and almost everyone uses it and obeys it.

      In the midwest, drivers tend to me more docile, cautious, and lawful overall but have an extreme sense of entitlement over their place in line. "How dare that person use that completely empty lane to get ahead of me! Can they not see there is a line!" They will absolutely not let you in. It does not matter if the zipper merge would improve traffic flow. It just is not going to happen.

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        Evolution took a billion years too, so it's kinda fair to say "well, vehicles need some training".

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        • V [email protected]

          Why are we still doing this? Just fucking invest in mass transit like metro, buses and metrobuses. Jesus

          Also, Note that this is based on waymo's own assumptions, that's like believing a 5070 gives you 4090 performance...

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          people in america don't want to ride with public transport because they're incredibly isolationistic and have a fear of other human beings; so they prefer to drive within "their own 4 walls", in their own chassis. It's really about psychology much more than practical feasibility.

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          • R [email protected]

            Yes it does, if done properly. I have stops for four bus lines within walking distance. During peak hours, buses come once every 15 minutes. Trolleys in the city centre, every 10 minutes. Trams, every two minutes, and always packed. Most of the surrounding villages have bus stops. A lack of perspective is not an excuse.

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            Public transport (with acceptable intervals) is only (practically) feasible in densely populated areas, like cities and maybe the immediate surroundings. There's no chance every tiny village in the middle of bumfuck nowhere is gonna have even a resemblance of acceptable public transport. You'd need a driver to drive around all day where most trips are completely or mostly empty.

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            • S [email protected]

              My drive to work is 8 minutes. This morning i almost had a crash because a guy ran a stop sigh. I don't think the bar is very high at this point.

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              That's the beauty of it - we've only just begun to improve the situation. It's going to get better and better until eventually traffic accidents are a rarity.

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                Musk: but-but-but people don't have lidars and can drive! Lidars are expensive! Tesla go brrrrr.

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                People have a brain. Well most people. AI is no replacement for brains.

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                • B [email protected]

                  Ah OK didn't notice that. English is 2nd language.

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                  No worries. I’m glad I explained it then!

                  The first thing that comes to mind for popular media using “no notes” the way I did is probably John Oliver. I spent 10 seconds stacking for a clip or a montage of him saying it but came up empty.

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                  • robottoaster@mander.xyzR [email protected]

                    That doesn't solve the last mile problem, or transport for all the people who live outside of a few dense cities.

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                    Almost all people can walk a mile. The remainder have special mobility needs.

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                    • C [email protected]

                      Pretty much. I’m not trashing my life and living in the slums while the rest of the world doesn’t care.

                      If the world wants more from me then they can step up too.

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                      The market will fix it for you when gasoline prices quadruple. If demand drops (and it will), the fossil fuel oligopolies will try to maintain profits by price-gouging, since demand for fuel for cars is pretty inelastic.

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