Serious question: Do the republicans in office want to go back to the America of the 50's or am I trying to make sense of it by thinking too simple?
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I am not from America and lives in Europe. I am trying to understand what life and values the republicans in office right now wants for America. Is the 50's America the kind of country they hope to go back to or is it somewhat of a new state we have never seen before?
I am genuinely wondering if they have some kind of "utopian" community in mind doing all these changes to the economy and values.
More like 1850s laws where they could own people they deemed lesser, with a 1950s Leave it to Beaver Coat of paint slapped on top... Where women couldn't get divorced without specific cause or have their own bank accounts, and everyone was pretending to be Christian due to the red scare
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More like 1850s laws where they could own people they deemed lesser, with a 1950s Leave it to Beaver Coat of paint slapped on top... Where women couldn't get divorced without specific cause or have their own bank accounts, and everyone was pretending to be Christian due to the red scare
Did you know that in North Carolina, you need to be physically separated from your spouse for a full year before you can get divorced?
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I am not from America and lives in Europe. I am trying to understand what life and values the republicans in office right now wants for America. Is the 50's America the kind of country they hope to go back to or is it somewhat of a new state we have never seen before?
I am genuinely wondering if they have some kind of "utopian" community in mind doing all these changes to the economy and values.
No utopias there, just rednecks doing whatever they want with no consequences. Or, that's what they think as the consequences build up until they're all dead.
This isn't rebirth, it's fire. They're setting the place on fire, because they want to see people burn as they die. They think it's funny. Their fictional god told them it's OK!
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I am not from America and lives in Europe. I am trying to understand what life and values the republicans in office right now wants for America. Is the 50's America the kind of country they hope to go back to or is it somewhat of a new state we have never seen before?
I am genuinely wondering if they have some kind of "utopian" community in mind doing all these changes to the economy and values.
Other people have more detailed and factual answers, but a good heuristic is "there must be outgroups for the law to bind but not protect, and in groups for the law to protect but not bind". That's what they want. They want to do what they want while women and queers and non-whites are subjugated. They want to say something inappropriate and touch their women coworkers without consent, and know if she raises her voice she'll be fired.
They are scum.
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Other people have more detailed and factual answers, but a good heuristic is "there must be outgroups for the law to bind but not protect, and in groups for the law to protect but not bind". That's what they want. They want to do what they want while women and queers and non-whites are subjugated. They want to say something inappropriate and touch their women coworkers without consent, and know if she raises her voice she'll be fired.
They are scum.
And the benefit of using the harassment of women against you in the future if you step out of line.
It's *consequences for thee and not for me" at the finest.
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I am not from America and lives in Europe. I am trying to understand what life and values the republicans in office right now wants for America. Is the 50's America the kind of country they hope to go back to or is it somewhat of a new state we have never seen before?
I am genuinely wondering if they have some kind of "utopian" community in mind doing all these changes to the economy and values.
Try 1830s
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I am not from America and lives in Europe. I am trying to understand what life and values the republicans in office right now wants for America. Is the 50's America the kind of country they hope to go back to or is it somewhat of a new state we have never seen before?
I am genuinely wondering if they have some kind of "utopian" community in mind doing all these changes to the economy and values.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The voters were probably thinking about the nostalgia they had as a result of the progressive eras, because they'd get all the benefits, while also not having do deal with racism since they're white.
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The voters were probably thinking about the nostalgia they had as a result of the progressive eras, because they'd get all the benefits, while also not having do deal with racism since they're white.
Correct.
They are legitimately too stupid to tell the difference between their specific childhood and the state of the entire world, so they think they can go back there if they try hard enough and force everyone else to pretend.
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This administration, and IIRC also within the text of Project 2025, wants to "undo the 20th century." Primarily that's everything that's happened since WWII, but once they get into it, they like the 1880s better because it's when Robber-barons could do anything they wanted, corruption was unchecked, and women couldn't vote.
The anchoring to the 1950's-1960's are because there's a lot of Boomers who remember that time period as (to them) the height of civilization, because most people generally assume that any time period where they were 16-25 is the best anything ever was.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Agreed. I think this is more specifically it rather than the 50s.
- Unfettered domestic commerce devoid of worker protections.
- International trade viewed as zero-sum and managed using blunt instruments like tariffs.
- America as a rising manufacturing power.
- Nominally speaking there is no slavery, but Reconstruction is "done" and Southern elites have been rehabilitated and reintegrated without having to give up their power.
- Foreign policy built on late-stage colonialism where areas within a great power's sphere of influence are silently allowed to be dominated so as not to antagonize other great powers. Relations handled by a stupid nest of ad-hoc limited-party treaties.
- No effort is given to contextualizing what the American experiment has meant, and who it has harmed, just literally a "manifest destiny" from god to fill the land.
Ignore that the era was laissez-faire with immigrants actually arriving (though of course the robber barons who were working their laborers to death were okay with this... until they began to unionize), and it's a remarkably apt analogy. I'm pretty sure you can see Trump openly pining for The Gilded Age from time to time, though that may literally just be because he thinks gilding things is awesome.
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No utopias there, just rednecks doing whatever they want with no consequences. Or, that's what they think as the consequences build up until they're all dead.
This isn't rebirth, it's fire. They're setting the place on fire, because they want to see people burn as they die. They think it's funny. Their fictional god told them it's OK!
I think people are desperate for change. Housing crisis and costs of living are unbearable for a huge portion of the population, which drives them crazy.
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I am not from America and lives in Europe. I am trying to understand what life and values the republicans in office right now wants for America. Is the 50's America the kind of country they hope to go back to or is it somewhat of a new state we have never seen before?
I am genuinely wondering if they have some kind of "utopian" community in mind doing all these changes to the economy and values.
Do you have any examples of what you mean?
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I am not from America and lives in Europe. I am trying to understand what life and values the republicans in office right now wants for America. Is the 50's America the kind of country they hope to go back to or is it somewhat of a new state we have never seen before?
I am genuinely wondering if they have some kind of "utopian" community in mind doing all these changes to the economy and values.
They're the Technocracy movement, started in the 1930s and stewing as a behind the scenes backer of conservative movements, such as the heritage foundation
Wikipedia link. If you read through that, you'll find a lot of the seemingly random shit they say, like taking the Panama canal, Greenland, and Canada, it's all related. This is the end goal
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They're the Technocracy movement, started in the 1930s and stewing as a behind the scenes backer of conservative movements, such as the heritage foundation
Wikipedia link. If you read through that, you'll find a lot of the seemingly random shit they say, like taking the Panama canal, Greenland, and Canada, it's all related. This is the end goal
wrote last edited by [email protected]I do not think that they are pure technocrats. I think they do want to make an American empire, which has a spiritual and religious component to it.
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I am not from America and lives in Europe. I am trying to understand what life and values the republicans in office right now wants for America. Is the 50's America the kind of country they hope to go back to or is it somewhat of a new state we have never seen before?
I am genuinely wondering if they have some kind of "utopian" community in mind doing all these changes to the economy and values.
I gave up on trying to understand because its all just racist, sexist, xenophobic bullshit with no substance of thought behind it. It's all the loudest, dumbest people taking control of the government while ultra-wealthy, straight-up evil oligarchs try to steer the idiots to their benefit. I stopped trying to convince MAGA-folks of anything because they are incapable of listening and thinking for themselves, and instead I'm working on my pistol aim and developing a mutual aide community.
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I am not from America and lives in Europe. I am trying to understand what life and values the republicans in office right now wants for America. Is the 50's America the kind of country they hope to go back to or is it somewhat of a new state we have never seen before?
I am genuinely wondering if they have some kind of "utopian" community in mind doing all these changes to the economy and values.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The want the racist, sexist social aspects of the 50s, but not the economic ones. LBJ's New Deal allowed a thriving middle class to actually exist at the expense of wealthy people having as much money in their hoard. Can't have that!
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I am not from America and lives in Europe. I am trying to understand what life and values the republicans in office right now wants for America. Is the 50's America the kind of country they hope to go back to or is it somewhat of a new state we have never seen before?
I am genuinely wondering if they have some kind of "utopian" community in mind doing all these changes to the economy and values.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I think they want to remove Atheism and all associated things with it from society. Trump calls himself christian, and his followers (voter base) are evangelical Christians.
Evangelical Christians ...
- believe once Israel builds a temple the judgement day comes
- all people who do not believe in Jesus is the personified God (or something like that) will go to eternal hell
- believe in free market capitalism and hate all kinds of communism and state control in economy (even science)
And these evangelical gospels align well with Trump.
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Did you know that in North Carolina, you need to be physically separated from your spouse for a full year before you can get divorced?
Ok? Even that archaic law is still world's better than "he's an asshole and there's no love left, but since he hasn't beaten me yet I can't EVER get a divorce" like it used to be before no fault divorce was legal. And marital rape was just...allowed.
So not sure what point you're trying to make here.
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Ok? Even that archaic law is still world's better than "he's an asshole and there's no love left, but since he hasn't beaten me yet I can't EVER get a divorce" like it used to be before no fault divorce was legal. And marital rape was just...allowed.
So not sure what point you're trying to make here.
I was agreeing with you and providing an example of a stupid archaic law about marriage.
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I am not from America and lives in Europe. I am trying to understand what life and values the republicans in office right now wants for America. Is the 50's America the kind of country they hope to go back to or is it somewhat of a new state we have never seen before?
I am genuinely wondering if they have some kind of "utopian" community in mind doing all these changes to the economy and values.
They're fascists. Literally.
They want to oppress in order to gain total control. Because that's what fascists do.
So no, the 50s don't really fit the bill for what they're being clear they want. In the 50s the middle class was strong because we taxed the everloving fuck out of the wealthy. That's not what they're going for here.
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I do not think that they are pure technocrats. I think they do want to make an American empire, which has a spiritual and religious component to it.
What's a pure technocrat? Technocracy wants to control all aspects of life, they want the tech oligarchs in charge, they want to be generally isolationist and carve up the world into blocs
That's how these people act. That's where they focus, that's what they hint and feel out responses for. This is the roadmap they're using
Spirituality? Religion? Patriotism? These things are a veneer to fascists. They don't believe in any of that, hell they generally don't even believe in Technocracy... This is a means to an end
They're Fascists. They don't believe in anything but power and using it against their enemies
