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  • S [email protected]

    When a person believes in a religion, they have trained their brains to ignore part of reality. Once you've trained your brain to do that, manipulative people can more easily abuse your brain into thinking other incorrect things.

    And that's how you get MAGA

    So the purpose is less about evangelizing atheism, and more about fixing other people's brains for the betterment of society.

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    I mean, scientific materialism also denies a large part of reality. Or at least I knew that really, really well the last time I did mushrooms

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      Idk, I haven't been denigrated in a hot second.

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      because they know you're into it, mate.

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        Maybe. But the scientific method and logic are provably functional. You see a thing, you replicate the thing, you can then do more things.

        So it's not a huge stretch to say that getting people to follow those methods is an improvement.

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        No one uses the scientific method in their day to day lives. This includes all scientists, and atheists. The rationalists tried this, and their conclusion was

        (1) Psychological research shows that using heuristics is what we do 90% of the time. This is an evolutionary preference that is more or less baked in, as rational though requires much more time and energy.

        (2) Using rational thought for day to day tasks or important life decisions is indistinguishable from the control - ie, giving a shit and trying.

        (3) Even people dedicated to seeking truth as fully as possible are highly susceptible to cognitive biases. Eg, the placebo effect still works even when you know about the placebo effect and know you are taking a placebo.

        (4) When people don't take a moral stance to seek truth at the expense of their deepest beliefs, they tend to use rationality to reinforce their existing beliefs.

        (5) Research shows that you change people's minds by being friendly and supportive and showing that your worldview and lifestyle lead to good outcomes. Logical refutation of people's beliefs tends to just make them dig their heels in more. This is why missionaries dig wells in impoverished nations.

        (6) Communal/tribal ties are far stronger than logic. If everyone you know and identify with believes something, you will almost certainly also believe that thing, even if presented with clear evidence to the contrary.

        (7) Religious people are perfectly capable of being intelligent and rational. There are many highly successful religious people, including in engineering and hard sciences. In fact, being religious seems to have numerous practical benefits in multiple aspects of life, from having a community to being more successful in your career to having a general sense of well being.

        (8) Trying to form an identity around feelings of persecution for your not-religion was pretty cringy and we all regret it.

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        • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

          because they know you're into it, mate.

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          Call me a godless heathen again, sir! I neeeeeed it!!!

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            Call me a godless heathen again, sir! I neeeeeed it!!!

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            Denigrate me, daddy.

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              Call me a godless heathen again, sir! I neeeeeed it!!!

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              you unreconstructed whelp of a whore!

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              • W [email protected]

                #Lemmy has a new (and only) #Atheist #community
                #Atheism #SocialMedia

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                I clicked and that instance is blocked in the UK? TIL. heres the message i got

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                • fauxpseudo@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                  Ideally an empty atheist group is the platonic ideal. Nothing about nothing. No arguments. No exclusion. No evangelicals. No conversion attempts.

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                  One day, hopefully! One fateful day with a secular majority. I have a dream. ✊

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                    #Lemmy has a new (and only) #Atheist #community
                    #Atheism #SocialMedia

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                    It's best to include the standard fedi-format for cross-linking: [email protected]

                    This way, people can traverse through their instance without switching websites on some frontends.

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                    • roofuskit@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                      As an atheist I never got the point of evangelizing atheism. Isn't that half the problem with religions?

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                      Not evangelizing. It's more about personal connections and being comrades. Community.

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