Zelensky says he doesn't think he did anything wrong after public spat with Trump
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His attire has been a talking point of the pro-Russians for quite some time. It's supposed to denote a lack of respect or something.
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There was one. He was 18 or 19. Over the summer.
I hope America makes a movie about him, with dramatic swelling music with a silouhette of him taking aim in the trailer.
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You have to remember that during Trump's first administration, there was a terrible U.S. ambassador who committed a hit-and-run in the UK, killing a cyclist. The victim’s family traveled to the U.S. to seek justice, hoping the president would revoke her diplomatic immunity since she had fled the country.
The moronic president, treating it like a reality TV stunt, had the ambassador unexpectedly pop into a meeting with the grieving family—on live TV—to say sorry. This is just how his broken brain operates.
Doesn't explain Zelensky playing along (I can't call his behavior anything else).
I think they do have some plan to which Zelensky consented (however reluctantly) and this was a "reality TV stunt" to make it appear plausible. Maybe to save Zelensky's face in Ukraine to have the same partner in negotiations after ceasefire and the new Ukrainian election (has been postponed for almost a year, but that can't go on indefinitely).
Or maybe yes. In any case this was unfitting.
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I saw that Pz Zelenskyy also thanked America for hosting him, as if he'd been calmly met by a proper head of state.
It takes a special kind of statesman to be blindsided by two half-wit kids and harangued on TV and then treat it as if it was business as usual.
Remember that Pz Zelenskyy is not your typical politician: he's a comedian who won the seat. How is it that this Everyman is more a leader and a collaborator, and those two are clowns out of the slow car?
I've been watching Hacks, and one thing a good comedian learns is how to read a room and handle a heckler. Zelenskyy knew he couldn't just shut them down because of the power dynamics, but he also knew this wasn't going to play well for Trump with the rest of the room. He didn't back down and yet he didn't take the bait to give them any real excuse to pull US support. They exposed their Russian puppet-strings for the world to see.
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Reminded me of a typical argument between me and my delusional, selfish, narcissistic parents as a teenager. Saying anything at all would make them throw a tantrum.
Trump and Vance did the same type of thing: expected complete fealty after they had voted against Ukraine to join NATO and demanded respect when the previous administration were the ones that did most of the work beforehand. Getting pouty and shouty when he didn’t agree to their shitty “deal.” Brought up meaningless arguments about “respect” and not saying thank you when he had multiple times. Utter madness.
This was about putting on a show for their constituents and they would have done the same if he went in there kissing their asses. But he refused to play the game which made them angrier.
Vance bringing up the conspiracy theory shit about Zelensky putting on a show for visitors as if he was exaggerating is what really set me off. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together saw right through this bullshit song and dance.
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WTF was up with that guy?
That guy is Brian Glenn. He's a host on "Real America's Voice", a right-wing to far-right station and the boyfriend of Marjory Taylor Greene.
The attending "press" has been pre-selected and it's not a stretch to assume that these people know what's expected of them. The narrative is that not wearing a suit is a sign of disrespect. When Trump greeted Zelensky in the beginning he also made a remark about it.
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That guy is Brian Glenn. He's a host on "Real America's Voice", a right-wing to far-right station and the boyfriend of Marjory Taylor Greene.
The attending "press" has been pre-selected and it's not a stretch to assume that these people know what's expected of them. The narrative is that not wearing a suit is a sign of disrespect. When Trump greeted Zelensky in the beginning he also made a remark about it.
Exactly, it was all a setup to push the narrative that Ukraine doesn't respect the Oval Office. Same reason Couch Fucker Vance kept saying "you haven't even said thank you once."
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krasnov
Just in case, "red" as in hair color is "рыжий" in Russian, so it would be Ryzhov.
I think that was a reference to this A former KGB officer alleged Donald Trump was enlisted by the KGB in 1987 and was given the codename "Krasnov".
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He didn't. He was the only adult there.
100%. I wish I ever could have been as proud of any of our presidents.
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Reminded me of a typical argument between me and my delusional, selfish, narcissistic parents as a teenager. Saying anything at all would make them throw a tantrum.
Trump and Vance did the same type of thing: expected complete fealty after they had voted against Ukraine to join NATO and demanded respect when the previous administration were the ones that did most of the work beforehand. Getting pouty and shouty when he didn’t agree to their shitty “deal.” Brought up meaningless arguments about “respect” and not saying thank you when he had multiple times. Utter madness.
This was about putting on a show for their constituents and they would have done the same if he went in there kissing their asses. But he refused to play the game which made them angrier.
Vance bringing up the conspiracy theory shit about Zelensky putting on a show for visitors as if he was exaggerating is what really set me off. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together saw right through this bullshit song and dance.
Yeah it was just bizarre... the "stupid president" helped you... so you need to thank me.
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They want it to considered purely as a business deal. Any reminder that Zelenskyy is leading a country that's fighting a war to defend their country from a dictator doesn't fit their narrative.
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Flying to Washington instead of Moscow was a mistake.
he’s got a bit heart, and an impossible job, but he’s been naive.
Washington is Moscow now.
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Yeah, I though Zelensky did a decent job of managing his emotions. Most of us would have popped Trump in the mouth before that had ended. (And WTF was up with that guy asking if Zelensky owned a suit? That should have been an automatic throat punch.)
Being an American is embarrassing right now. My apologies to the rest of the world. We're a dumpster fire.that dude is marjorie taylor green's husband
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Doesn't explain Zelensky playing along (I can't call his behavior anything else).
I think they do have some plan to which Zelensky consented (however reluctantly) and this was a "reality TV stunt" to make it appear plausible. Maybe to save Zelensky's face in Ukraine to have the same partner in negotiations after ceasefire and the new Ukrainian election (has been postponed for almost a year, but that can't go on indefinitely).
Or maybe yes. In any case this was unfitting.
What's happening is the US is negotiating with Russia without involving Ukraine. Not too dissimilar from European powers negotiating with Hitler over German claims on Czechoslovakia without Czechoslovakia being part of the negotiations. We know how that ended.
When Trump and Putin reach an agreement (without consideration for Ukraine) they make some bold claim similar to "Peace for our time" and expect everyone to go along with it. When that happens, Ukraine can ignore the agreement and continue fighting, but if too many countries buy Trump's version of "Peace for our time" then Ukraine could be considered the bad guy because they're not agreeing to end the war.
But after this? Every country in the world has reiterated their support for Ukraine. Any "peace plan" promoted by Trump will be known to be all about appeasing Putin and be rightly ignored by everyone. Trump's WWIII comment made it clear that Trump is afraid of Putin, nobody will respect anything he says about Ukraine going forward.
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If it’s a scene by Trump&Vance to “justify” drying out of military support, then why would Zelensky participate in it.
Zelensky is interested in public support.
There doesn't even have to be an agenda. It's a press meeting as a conclusion to talks. As elected leaders and/or representatives it makes sense to participate.
If he wouldn't have participated, how would that be better? They could still justify it - in even more of a vacuum to define their own views and spins. It would be worse.
Trump does the press conference before talks. Remember Justin Trudeau got caught on a hot mic for making fun of him for doing this.
The Agreement Zelenskyy was there to sign was never signed, because this all went down before that could happen.
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Yeah, just like they would complain if he did wear a suit. There's just no winning with these guys.
Every foreign dignitary who visits the White House should wear a tan suit just for fun.
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I think that was a reference to this A former KGB officer alleged Donald Trump was enlisted by the KGB in 1987 and was given the codename "Krasnov".
Oh. OK, cool, I thought the "Soviet agent" thing was more against Biden (he was openly using his welcome in Moscow in his younger years) than against Trump, but covert connections are more meaningful than open connections.
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That guy is Brian Glenn. He's a host on "Real America's Voice", a right-wing to far-right station and the boyfriend of Marjory Taylor Greene.
The attending "press" has been pre-selected and it's not a stretch to assume that these people know what's expected of them. The narrative is that not wearing a suit is a sign of disrespect. When Trump greeted Zelensky in the beginning he also made a remark about it.
Since I don't watch I can only presume that they give equal time to Musk's disrespect then, too.
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What's happening is the US is negotiating with Russia without involving Ukraine. Not too dissimilar from European powers negotiating with Hitler over German claims on Czechoslovakia without Czechoslovakia being part of the negotiations. We know how that ended.
When Trump and Putin reach an agreement (without consideration for Ukraine) they make some bold claim similar to "Peace for our time" and expect everyone to go along with it. When that happens, Ukraine can ignore the agreement and continue fighting, but if too many countries buy Trump's version of "Peace for our time" then Ukraine could be considered the bad guy because they're not agreeing to end the war.
But after this? Every country in the world has reiterated their support for Ukraine. Any "peace plan" promoted by Trump will be known to be all about appeasing Putin and be rightly ignored by everyone. Trump's WWIII comment made it clear that Trump is afraid of Putin, nobody will respect anything he says about Ukraine going forward.
Putin is not Hitler. I'm not saying it's not a problem to be solved, having taken many lives and taking more, but it's a different problem.
Putin's regime is not capable of growing power. It's only capable of capturing more power. While ultimately similar inability made Nazis weak, they were capable of modernizing industries and rebuilding the military. Maybe if it were done slowly over 30 years instead of 5 years, they'd turn out a similar failure as Putin's Russia, having corrupted Germany enough to reduce its danger. We don't know, since they outright started killing people, putting them into prison camps and marching with knives on the streets.
Every country in the world has reiterated their support for Ukraine.
That's not true, but suppose it were.
If all those countries sent soldiers and equipment to Ukraine, that is, declared war on Russia, it would be over.
If they are not doing this, then what they are actually doing is the degree of real support.
Then maybe Trump's "deal" just shows it.
I think enough conscripted Ukrainians have already died, and everyone talking against such deal, be it even capitulation, should wish for Americans, Canadians, Brits, French, Germans, Italians ... to be conscripted to that frontline to end the war. Or admit they just want some Ukrainians to die for their feeling of justice they have in their safe cozy life.
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A White House official told Axios that Zelensky's interview on Fox was insufficient. "He keeps insisting on security guarantees on this economic deal, and we've made clear that won't be part of this," the official said.
Yeah doh! If we give you actually security guarantees how are we going to let Putin invite you again next year?
You can't have everything zelenski! We can, and we want, but you can't.
