Zelensky says he doesn't think he did anything wrong after public spat with Trump
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I think his actual reply was even better
It was SO GOOD! "I'll wear a costume after the war, maybe something like yours"
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I understand why he didn't, obviously, but the whole time I watched that happen all I could think was, "PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE"
I assume he must have gone back to his hotel room afterwards and just screamed in frustration for a solid hour. Or had a workout of with a punching bag with Trump and Vance's faces on them.
I'm truly astounded at the patience he showed during that event. It was infuriating to watch.
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It was SO GOOD! "I'll wear a costume after the war, maybe something like yours"
"Maybe something cheaper"
Subtle dig, I'm sure it went way over their head.
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Nah bud, you good. It's the other jackasses in the meeting that were in the wrong.
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It was SO GOOD! "I'll wear a costume after the war, maybe something like yours"
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So all the European leaders are saying they stand with Ukraine. However that's nothing but "thoughts and prayers" until they bloody do something. Get some boots on the ground or planes in the air. Do something!
EU peacekeeps along the Belarus border. Free up Ukrainian units for the front line.
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I saw that Pz Zelenskyy also thanked America for hosting him, as if he'd been calmly met by a proper head of state.
It takes a special kind of statesman to be blindsided by two half-wit kids and harangued on TV and then treat it as if it was business as usual.
Remember that Pz Zelenskyy is not your typical politician: he's a comedian who won the seat. How is it that this Everyman is more a leader and a collaborator, and those two are clowns out of the slow car?
It is because he is an Everyman. People who have lived among the ordinary folk, is much more likely to understand the world as it actually is. Dipshits like Trump and Elon never had to deal with bills or consequences, just the difficult decision of which supermodel to pork on a given day.
Here's hoping that the Free States of America gets a Zelensky.
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He didn't. He was the only adult there.
B-b-but he didn't wear a SUIT! The horror.
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Most Americans that watched it don't think he did anything wrong, either. Even a lot of conservatives think Trump's behavior was disgraceful.
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Why is this the question people are asking? It's a classic example of Republicans setting the narrative. I saw on a certain oft-promoted news aggregator that all the Republican news sources use the same words in reaction to the oval office event - "Zelensky refuses to apologize..."
So now that's what the mainstream media talks about, instead of the worrying Trump-Vance-Musk turn towards Russia.
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yet you’re convinced it was actually planned?
The thing before the journalists is not all of their meeting and not the longest part. It's usually intended to officially present results. So yes.
I'm also convinced Zelensky's look in a sweater and sneakers is always planned. You can't maintain that over a few years consistently if it really was a result of some tight schedule of a wartime leader or whatever. Such a person could be forgetting to shave sometimes, but not to the same degree every day, LOL. So those making fun of it are right, it's not that PR weren't important, it's really part of his job, not worse than Trump in any case, but he should put more effort.
You cannot come up with a reason for Zelenski to play along in this “scripted interview”,
It's usually scripted in this particular kind of situation. Why are you putting quotes here as if you were completely ignorant of the process and thinking I wrote something strange, I don't know. Diplomacy is a very ritualized part of reality.
Isn’t there a way simpler explanation here, given the two idiots he was sitting next to?
I gave you the simpler explanation, what I wrote is literally the simpler explanation!
Idiots don't raise to such power. Even Idi Amin and Bokassa and Gaddafi were not idiots.
That's the whole point, all three people in that video are very intelligent, if immoral. It's almost impossible for them to lack self-control enough to have a conflict before cameras.
For an idiot in power see Pashinyan, but I'm not convinced about him either.
I'm also convinced Zelensky's look in a sweater and sneakers is always planned.
Zelensky always wears army-like stuff (e.g. the shirts/sweaters are usually green) to show his connectedness to the people fighting war in Ukraine. Before the war, he did wear suits, e.g. see here.
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I'm also convinced Zelensky's look in a sweater and sneakers is always planned.
Zelensky always wears army-like stuff (e.g. the shirts/sweaters are usually green) to show his connectedness to the people fighting war in Ukraine. Before the war, he did wear suits, e.g. see here.
I know, but his shave can't be explained like this. OK. That's the point, it's just doesn't fit diplomatic etiquette.
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That guy is Brian Glenn. He's a host on "Real America's Voice", a right-wing to far-right station and the boyfriend of Marjory Taylor Greene.
The attending "press" has been pre-selected and it's not a stretch to assume that these people know what's expected of them. The narrative is that not wearing a suit is a sign of disrespect. When Trump greeted Zelensky in the beginning he also made a remark about it.
Gross. Thanks for that info. Wtf, America.
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He told the truth. Normally that is fine, but not in a room with a despot like Trump. So yea, that's a big whoopsie when you are trying to win a war. Zelensky is a great guy, and a terrible politician.
I think, or at least hope, that the downvotes come from people who don't understand what it means to "play the game". Politicians don't act the way we'd all like (i.e. telling Trump to go fuck himself) because it's not playing the game. Zelensky didn't go to that extreme, but didn't back down and capitulate either. I hope that when you say he's a terrible politician, you mean that positively to some degree; he didn't fully "play the game" with regards to Trump.
That being said, there's no winning here. There wasn't gonna be a negotiation there anyway, he was gonna get screwed no matter what.
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I think, or at least hope, that the downvotes come from people who don't understand what it means to "play the game". Politicians don't act the way we'd all like (i.e. telling Trump to go fuck himself) because it's not playing the game. Zelensky didn't go to that extreme, but didn't back down and capitulate either. I hope that when you say he's a terrible politician, you mean that positively to some degree; he didn't fully "play the game" with regards to Trump.
That being said, there's no winning here. There wasn't gonna be a negotiation there anyway, he was gonna get screwed no matter what.
Yes, zelensky was 100% correct and did the "right" thing, but he has an entire country to think about.
I don't see evidence that this was inevitable. I see that zelensky flew to the US specifically for this meeting then was argumentative throughout the 40 minute press event and I don't think he needed to be. I don't think he gained much more than clout, and lost a seat at a negotiating table to sell mineral rights for something.
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