Too bad we can't have good public transportation
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Yes, but.
It's China. I guarantee you that loads of people got fucked over one way or the other for this improvement. The Chinese government usually doesn't care much for the rights and lives of the individuals
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Yes, but.
It's China. I guarantee you that loads of people got fucked over one way or the other for this improvement. The Chinese government usually doesn't care much for the rights and lives of the individuals
You say that, but medical debt? Homelessness? Ice concentration camps for brown people? Highest incarceration rates, social credit (credit score), pedophile leaders...
Europeans, feel free to complain about China. Americans have no right to complain about China.
Not to be a tankie, but China taking over the US government would be an improvement
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Yes, but.
It's China. I guarantee you that loads of people got fucked over one way or the other for this improvement. The Chinese government usually doesn't care much for the rights and lives of the individuals
Are you suggesting that's why the US hasn't improved trains? Is there something about train improvements specifically that you think is harmful?
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It's true that China's co2 per capita has gone up sharply, however it's still about 30% lower than the yanks. China is also dwarfing other countries with the amounts of renewable energy currently under construction https://globalenergymonitor.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/solar_wind_in_construction_treemap_for_online-1.png
actually China's CO2 hasn't gone up in the past 12 months: https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-clean-energy-just-put-chinas-co2-emissions-into-reverse-for-first-time/
it's likely that china has reached its CO2 emission peak, and now they're beginning to fall.
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Didn't mean replaced. I meant collapse.
Rotted away. Tofu dreg.Well I don't really have any reason to doubt the quality of the rail system. It's one thing to go over-budget on transit (which they apparently did); it's quite another to go over-budget and build the whole system to a poor standard where it won't even last.
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And now wait for five years and see if the Chinese one is still there.
It's been 16 years and counting.
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Yes, but.
It's China. I guarantee you that loads of people got fucked over one way or the other for this improvement. The Chinese government usually doesn't care much for the rights and lives of the individuals
Plenty of people got fucked over for America's interstate system. You just don't care about them because they're poor minorities
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Explain the sinking just finished metro. The ghost towns. The buildings collapsing. The bridges decaying because of concrete rot.
There are so many current projects going bad because of the use of bad materials and dodgy practices.
Skipping a geo research before building etc.The Chinese are surpressed by the CCP. More than 90% of the drinking water is not fit for consumption. Aside from the AI cleaned up videos and pictures, there isn't much of a clear sky with the smog.
And where are the birds?
... Also have you seen China. They too have traffic jams.
No country is a wonderland.
And if someone is really really really trying to convince me they are that magnificent, and better than everyone else.
I. Do. Not. Trust. Them.Actions say more than words. And the actions have spoken.
Source: it came to me in a dream.
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I wonder if the early proliferation of rural cars / mega expressways kinda fucked us. When your transportation network grows around trains, upgrading the trains/rails makes good economic sense. We just kind of spread out everywhere quickly and made the train locations somewhat irrelevant.
No the auto industry has lobbied against trains and similar projects. It’s not about the science but more about how our politicians have been selling their souls for centuries.
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actually China's CO2 hasn't gone up in the past 12 months: https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-clean-energy-just-put-chinas-co2-emissions-into-reverse-for-first-time/
it's likely that china has reached its CO2 emission peak, and now they're beginning to fall.
This is a good point, however the me meme is comparing to 1996. I think there's some way to go until it drops back that far.
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America: if ain’t broke don’t fix it
Every other country: yah it’s time, what are our new requirements?And then turn a blind eye to all the broken stuff because "we have been living with it so it's not broken"
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underoccupied_developments_in_China
empty cities
Not so empty anymore, and calling them empty was bullshit.
Turns out when you decide to build a new city, of course it would be empty at first, then people will eventually move in. But we can't do that because we need to preserve the artificial scarcity of housing so they can be used as an investment.
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No the auto industry has lobbied against trains and similar projects. It’s not about the science but more about how our politicians have been selling their souls for centuries.
Pretty much part of the plot from Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
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I wonder if the early proliferation of rural cars / mega expressways kinda fucked us. When your transportation network grows around trains, upgrading the trains/rails makes good economic sense. We just kind of spread out everywhere quickly and made the train locations somewhat irrelevant.
If anything, shouldn't that make it easier? The US has quite open and wide streets/roads. You have more space to build stations and rail tracks than for example Europe with much narrower streets/roads.
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No the auto industry has lobbied against trains and similar projects. It’s not about the science but more about how our politicians have been selling their souls for centuries.
People choose those politicians, too sensitive for fear of even slightly bigger government. Paired with racism, nowadays.
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Right now, the Chinese government has effective eminent domain powers which allows them to acquire property for which to build public infrastructure, both expressways and high-speed railways. That the Chinese people have no questions about the positives regarding HSTs, especially crunchtime during holidays where railway stations would be jampacked. That they're rolling their HSTs to show their technological prowess.
Why the US HST programs and passenger rail transport in general are at glacial pace is partly because of the usual car lobby, because of NIMBYs, because of cheap air transport, and some people now on online gambling instead of touching grass and tossing dice in Vegas.
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You could say the same about pretty much any infrastructure. It’s hideously expensive and will never get paid back by utilization.
- highways
- local roads
- bridges
- air traffic control
- utilities of most kinds
- canals
- flood control
- erosion mitigation
All are hideously expensive and will never get paid back by utilization.
Are they all bad investments?
I claim they all are critical for their indirect benefits to an economy, a society, and rail is exactly the same.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I would say that there's quite a lot of reason to believe that infrastructure investments can be one of the best ways to help poor people rise economically. Which has obvious paybacks.
This still requires creating infrastructure that is actually needed, otherwise it's just wasting money (which ultimately is just an abstraction over wealth, opportunity, materials, workers' finite time and energy, etc etc).
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Hyperloop any day now!
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Right now, the Chinese government has effective eminent domain powers which allows them to acquire property for which to build public infrastructure, both expressways and high-speed railways. That the Chinese people have no questions about the positives regarding HSTs, especially crunchtime during holidays where railway stations would be jampacked. That they're rolling their HSTs to show their technological prowess.
Why the US HST programs and passenger rail transport in general are at glacial pace is partly because of the usual car lobby, because of NIMBYs, because of cheap air transport, and some people now on online gambling instead of touching grass and tossing dice in Vegas.
Right now, the Chinese government has effective eminent domain powers which allows them to acquire property for which to build public infrastructure, both expressways and high-speed railways
I've heard people claim as much, but at the same time, Stuck Nail Houses exist, I'm not sure how to reconcile the two. I think it's that their eminent domain is limited to property that was purchased after a certain point, so if it's property your parents owned since the 80s, it's literally easier for developers to route the highway around your home than win that lawsuit, but if they bought in like 2010, they can just give you a similar or better property, or the cash to buy one, and that's that.
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Right now, the Chinese government has effective eminent domain powers which allows them to acquire property for which to build public infrastructure, both expressways and high-speed railways
I've heard people claim as much, but at the same time, Stuck Nail Houses exist, I'm not sure how to reconcile the two. I think it's that their eminent domain is limited to property that was purchased after a certain point, so if it's property your parents owned since the 80s, it's literally easier for developers to route the highway around your home than win that lawsuit, but if they bought in like 2010, they can just give you a similar or better property, or the cash to buy one, and that's that.
stuck nail houses 釘子戶 may apply in limited situations but there is no such thing as land ownership in China. When you purchase real estate in China you are buying the right to use the land for a period of time (I think it’s 80 years but don’t quote me on that number, I’m going off memory here) but the state owns the land. When the party wants to build something they are going to build it.
