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What’s an unspoken rule that absolutely everyone should know, but most people clearly don’t?

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  • spankmonkey@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

    Same for elevators!

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    Those in bigger space should wait on people in smaller space.

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      It's the human equivalent of when dogs want you to throw the ball without taking it from their mouth. People need to exit to make room for people to enter.

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      No disembark! Only board.

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        To add to this, last call is last call. Get what you need and finish up. "Oh but you're still open til..." yeah, that's for the people who were here at last call to finish what they got by last call.

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          Zipper merging.

          If your lane is closing ahead, it is better for everyone in traffic if you drive all the way to the end of the lane and cut in at the last moment.

          Note that this does not apply to exit lanes. The basic rule is if late merging blocks someone from going somewhere, merge early. Otherwise, merge as late as you can.

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          I really can't more strongly disagree with this take.

          Zipper merging is to interleave two lanes of traffic when there's one lane of traffic available ahead.

          It DOES NOT matter if it's done with 3 feet to merge or 300 feet to merge. There's no efficiency gain.

          What does matter is some assholes trying to merge at speed at the last possible second.

          The zipper point should not be the point where there's NO ROOM to merge SAFELY without EVERYONE going 3 miles per hour.

          The handful of times I've seen a zipper merge actually start to work, someone rushes down to the end of the line where the problem is, nearly causes a second accident trying to get over, and then everything starts moving at a crawl again.

          You don't need to zipper merge at the "physical barrier" causing the zipper merge to be necessary.

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            Merging early when at speed makes sense, because you still have a lot of lane left before you have to merge - less pressure, more time, less likely to make a bad decision.

            Merging late during slow traffic makes sense, as it allows you to align with gaps in the traffic and for the traffic to make space for you without having to actually stop.

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            The problem with zipper merges as this person describes them is a zipper merge is SUPPOSED TO get traffic back up to speed. However, when your take on the zipper merge is "up there where the wreck is at the last possible spot I can merge" there's no time for a human to safely merge at speed. So everything has to continue at a crawl.

            So the people jumping out of their lane and "zipper merging" at the last second instead of 50 feet out or so end up making things worse for everyone.

            The zipper does not and should not be at the point of the physical problem on the road. Just like you should not just drive to the end of the on ramp and at the last possible second merge into the lane on your left without paying attention.

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              I’m 6’6” and my knees push against the seat in front of me even when not reclined.

              I have a right to be able to travel without you causing me discomfort, and that’s a bit stronger than you having the privilege of getting more comfortable.

              If you are the kind of person who asserts this “right” when someone asks you not to, you’re kind of a dick.

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              Nah homie, I'm also tall. Airplanes are airplanes, book the exit row. Your right to travel comfortably ends with the right to the same for the people around you. If you want more room, pay for the exit row.

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              • J [email protected]

                Here's a weird one:

                Don't offer advice unless its something you have some experience with.

                Googling someone's issues and giving them a boilerplate answer from the first thing you find isn't helpful and can actually be a hinderance more than anything.

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                I had someone do the same but with fucking AI in my field of expertise

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                  So many of these are "Don't create obstacles or bottlenecks".

                  Return your cart, zipper merge, wait for people to get off before you get on, don't block doorways.

                  Clearly, the truest unspoken rule is "Get out of the way!"

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                    When exiting an airplane, it is more efficient to remain in your row until the row ahead of you has accessed their belongings. This includes people that have no overhead luggage. Sometimes someone's overhead luggage is behind their seat and it causes noticeable congestion/delays if there are people standing in the aisle obstructing their path. An exception could be made for patrons that need extra time for mobility issues, but this is usually arranged in advance with the flight attendants. Having said that, it's best to make every effort to exit with expediency because there could be others that have very little time to reach their connecting flight.

                    It's safe to generally assume that most others are equally (or more) tired of being on the plane and want to leave ASAP.

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                      Be aware of your surroundings. This is not just a safety thing for yourself, but a courtesy thing for other people.

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                      • dark_arc@social.packetloss.ggD [email protected]

                        I really can't more strongly disagree with this take.

                        Zipper merging is to interleave two lanes of traffic when there's one lane of traffic available ahead.

                        It DOES NOT matter if it's done with 3 feet to merge or 300 feet to merge. There's no efficiency gain.

                        What does matter is some assholes trying to merge at speed at the last possible second.

                        The zipper point should not be the point where there's NO ROOM to merge SAFELY without EVERYONE going 3 miles per hour.

                        The handful of times I've seen a zipper merge actually start to work, someone rushes down to the end of the line where the problem is, nearly causes a second accident trying to get over, and then everything starts moving at a crawl again.

                        You don't need to zipper merge at the "physical barrier" causing the zipper merge to be necessary.

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                        It DOES NOT matter if it’s done with 3 feet to merge or 300 feet to merge. There’s no efficiency gain.

                        Merging early leaves unused road. Shoving the cars into fewer lanes makes the traffic jam longer and makes it impact more interesections far behind the actual hangup. If you can merge early without slowing down, sure go for it. I'm mostly talking about the scenarios where it's already slowed to a crawl and people feel like they have to merge early to not be seen as "cutting in line."

                        Edit, also to add, if everyone merges early even at speed, eventually, the car density in the reduced lanes will reach a point where people naturally slow down and you have bumper to bumper traffic.

                        I suggest Traffic by Tom Vanderbilt for more.

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                        • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksA [email protected]

                          Nah homie, I'm also tall. Airplanes are airplanes, book the exit row. Your right to travel comfortably ends with the right to the same for the people around you. If you want more room, pay for the exit row.

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                          New rule: only six tall people allowed per flight.

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                            lol this and bad drivers are the most reposted shit on my cities subreddit. ALWAYS zipper merging and bad drivers.

                            It’s sad people don’t understand the concept of zipper merging because of their ME FIRST attitude

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                            Minneapolis?

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                              Looks like it's time to test the waters of Lemmy. This one has generally gone over poorly on reddit every time it's come up, so let's find out how it does here:

                              What about people who have a high degree of difficulty getting around? A good friend of mine has a herniated disc and a bunch of neurological issues as a result of a car accident he was in, he walks with one of those rolling walkers at a very slow speed grunting and groaning the entire time, and that was at the best of times. He barely manages shopping by using those electric cart things, but with all the reaching and bending he has to do, by the time he got back out to the car he was sweating like crazy and in obvious pain, even with my help. The idea of expecting someone in that situation to endure another couple minutes of horrendous pain just to make someone else's life very slightly more convenient by bringing his cart back up to the store even from the handicapped parking spaces strikes me as absurd, but he can't always get help with his shopping so I know he has to sometimes.

                              I think rules, written or otherwise, should have exceptions to account for extreme circumstances like this, but a lot of online people just go 'No, if you don't bring your cart back you're a BAD PERSON no matter what!'.

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                              I think rules, written or otherwise, should have exceptions to account for extreme circumstances like this, but a lot of online people just go ‘No, if you don’t bring your cart back you’re a BAD PERSON no matter what!’.

                              To treat any rule as immutable is an idealist junk perspective. Rules, like all ideas, need to be applied to a context, and I personally don't see the point in codifying every possible exception. Law officials, programmers and others can tell you how Sisyphean that task would be.

                              So yes, there are exceptions (obviously!). If you're putting your cart back and you injure your leg, you don't have to crawl on your arms just to put it back. But we can still generally say "people should put their cart back after shopping" and it's clear that we're generalizing.

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                                Don't be a dick.

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                                • J [email protected]

                                  Here's a weird one:

                                  Don't offer advice unless its something you have some experience with.

                                  Googling someone's issues and giving them a boilerplate answer from the first thing you find isn't helpful and can actually be a hinderance more than anything.

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                                  Something I've learned to practice with friends. When people call me I try to make sure I ask "do you want advice or do you just want someone to listen?"

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                                    Worked at a Starbucks in college that was open until midnight. One time there were a couple of girls hanging out and didn’t leave when 12 rolled around. We started doing our closing tasks, locked the doors, etc. and they still remained. Finally I was starting to mop the floor and one of them said to me, “Were you going to ask us to leave?” And I said, “We’re not allowed to.” They were so apologetic after that. Yeah whatever, just get the hell out.

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                                    So if you're not allowed to I assume you get paid overtime if you have to stay after hours because of this, not doing so would be illegal in most countries. Knowing that I would get some friends to come over, play some games chat and do whatever we would normally do until 3/4 AM every Friday, get to hang out with friends and get paid for it, win/win. If asked I would just say "well, my friends came over to see me, and I couldn't ask them to leave".

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                                    • sanemartigan@aussie.zoneS [email protected]

                                      If you're in a drive on the left or right side of the road country, that goes for bike and walking paths too. Eg in Australia, keep left on footpaths.

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                                      And for the love of god if you're on a shared bike/walking path, keep your dog/child on the same fucking side as you. Share the gd path.

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                                        It DOES NOT matter if it’s done with 3 feet to merge or 300 feet to merge. There’s no efficiency gain.

                                        Merging early leaves unused road. Shoving the cars into fewer lanes makes the traffic jam longer and makes it impact more interesections far behind the actual hangup. If you can merge early without slowing down, sure go for it. I'm mostly talking about the scenarios where it's already slowed to a crawl and people feel like they have to merge early to not be seen as "cutting in line."

                                        Edit, also to add, if everyone merges early even at speed, eventually, the car density in the reduced lanes will reach a point where people naturally slow down and you have bumper to bumper traffic.

                                        I suggest Traffic by Tom Vanderbilt for more.

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                                        "Unused road" is ridiculous except in extremes. Unless people merge well over a mile back, 1 lane of traffic will make no difference. The only way "unused road" matters is for the people that haven't entered the traffic jam yet who are getting off before they reach it.

                                        Very few people (from what I've seen) merge more than 30 car lengths out. 30 cars is not going to make a difference.

                                        What does make a difference is the fact that we can't do a merge at speed because some people want to "zipper late." It's the zipper behavior that matters, the "at the very end" part never should've been added to that recommendation.

                                        Looking at an actual research paper about this, the zipper merge demonstrated is not at the last possible point. A merge point forms ahead of that point and that's what should be used. The pictures from their study show the zipper occurring over a wide area with many of the zipped cars driving in the middle.

                                        https://rosap.ntl.bts.gov/view/dot/35694

                                        I don't know how studies like this have become the recommendations we have. They seem to me to miss critical bits.

                                        Edit: based on my quick read, it's worth noting the study finds only minimal support for the zipper merge and only in contexts not involving trucks largely based on visual analysis from their video feed as the quantitative data was not statistically significant. We need better transparency on recommendations like this frankly and the research supporting them. We should be able to have an honest debate on the merits of the papers.

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                                        • dark_arc@social.packetloss.ggD [email protected]

                                          The problem with zipper merges as this person describes them is a zipper merge is SUPPOSED TO get traffic back up to speed. However, when your take on the zipper merge is "up there where the wreck is at the last possible spot I can merge" there's no time for a human to safely merge at speed. So everything has to continue at a crawl.

                                          So the people jumping out of their lane and "zipper merging" at the last second instead of 50 feet out or so end up making things worse for everyone.

                                          The zipper does not and should not be at the point of the physical problem on the road. Just like you should not just drive to the end of the on ramp and at the last possible second merge into the lane on your left without paying attention.

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                                          That's what I said?
                                          Merge early at speed, merge late during congestion

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