Who plays like that x_x
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But why would roll be inverted? For planes you just need to think about the fact you are controlling the airplanes pitch not the camera view, which is why my camera controls are always regular in flight games but then obviously the y axis for flight is inverted. Pitch left roll left, pitch right roll right, pitch forward go down, pitch back go up. I.e. If you tilt the plane to the left it rolls to the left, if you tilt it to the right it rolls to the right, if you tilt the plane back it changes the attitude of the flight path to bring you higher same thing in reverse for pitching forward. I agree with your last statement for fps/tps games though unless both are inverted for camera it just doesnt make any logical sense and instead are trying to map flight controls to a head which just completely looses me.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I still don't quite get why planes are somehow the exception - likely because something about engineering and use of real planes makes inverted Y preferable, or that joysticks as opposed to mouse/keyboard make inverted Y a bit more tangible? I don't find the inversion intuitive in any game-related context, at least as a mouse/keyboard/gamepad user.
Up is up, down is down, simple as that. I just piloted a spaceplane in Space Engineers after piloting a dragon in World of Warcraft and both games just have up on up and down on down. To me, this is how it should be, or at least there should always be an option to make it so.
For any casual play, it just adds to a consistent and predictable experience.
But then again, I might be biased because inverted Y just doesn't click with me, no matter how much I challenged myself to figure it out. Automatic reactions always lead me the wrong way.
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Tilting your head. I get it yeah!
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Only when controlling flying crafts.
Even then I leave my view stick verted.
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I recently built a tp camera rig for a game and in the process completely lost orientation and somehow converted myself into inverted. Games that I had in progress suddenly felt wrong for a while after that. I think I'm just very aware of the camera now instead of the view.
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This just feels natural. It's kinda like using "natural scrolling" option on a touchpad. Why would you ever want it to move the opposite direction?The difference is that most people think of it is moving their face rather than holding a camera.
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I have absolutely no idea when I expect the y axis to be inverted or not. Every new game I expect the opposite of how it is.
Did, I guess. For the past ten years. All 3d games make me too sick to play them these days.
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I agree. But it still feels right for up and down which is the only thing at issue.
No reason up and down can't make sense that way and left and right be for rotating a different axis. Like driving a car with a joystick doesn't mean if you expect pushing forward makes it go forward then logically when you go left or right on the stick you expect the car to strafe.
Wellllll in most driving games you accelerate and brake with the triggers though, and the left stick does nothing on the vertical axis
Okay for real though, I'm not here to tell anyone how to game. Use whatever feels right for you, and having the option to invert stick axes is a great inclusivity feature I'd never argue against! I just have a little too much fun arguing with people trying to rationalize something that really just doesn't need to be rationalized to be valid.
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Ah it's one of those sounds different but spelled the same f*ckers.
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No your using a reference point at the back of you head to say its tilting back when you look up, if you keep the same reference point for the horizontal axis you are turning the head to the right to look left, etc.
I thought the reference point was the top of the head not the back
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This meme template is so versatile... I've seen it in at least 5 completely different contexts.
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It’s largely an age gap I think. The first generation of FPS games on N64, PS1, etc used inverted controls, so if you’re an old man millennial like me, that’s how you learned to play.
Then in later generations (PS2/3 and on) this changed and inverted became an option, rather than the default (or in some games, only!).
Thus younger gamers are used to “standard” and older gamers used to inverted.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I think Mario 64 was supposed to help transition people into 3D games, since they were pretty new, by leaning on the "you're controlling the camera guy" aspect. You remember that little flying guy they showed following Mario around filming him? So when you aim up you move the camera guy higher which in turn makes the camera look down to keep Mario in frame.
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Every time someone tries and pull out the “just imagine flying a plane” explanation all I can think is motherfucker you’re playing a fucking video game
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Videogame cameras in 1st person it's supposed to work like this:
The REAL inverted would be move stick down and then you see down.
Am I a weirdo to thinks about turning my head to the left, not the back of my head to the right?
This doesn't seem intuitive
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The best games shuffle your controller inputs at random on startup to promote mental flexibility and problem solving skills.
Okay, not nearly the same, but I swear to god KH changes the fucking axis, target, and menu buttons each game, and my ass was fucking tired of it. So if a game changed inputs every save/startup I'd probably cry.
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Never heard of the airplane explanation, but I invert both if it's third person. I'm controlling the camera's position behind the character, not where they're looking.
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This is how it works: Push down, nuzzle points up!
Push up, nuzzle goes down!
How can anyone play differently?
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Every time someone tries and pull out the “just imagine flying a plane” explanation all I can think is motherfucker you’re playing a fucking video game
But I started gaming with flight simulators.
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Never heard of the airplane explanation, but I invert both if it's third person. I'm controlling the camera's position behind the character, not where they're looking.
It makes so much sense on a plane. If you lose attention and lean on the control stick, the plane will tilt the nose down and yank you back into the seat. If the direction was up, the plane would slam you into the stick and the plane would do infinite loops, especially if you black out.
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Ah it's one of those sounds different but spelled the same f*ckers.
Spelled the same as what? Singular of axes is axis
