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What is an anti-hero?

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    There are no wrong answers, only your opinions 🙂

    Personally, I think an anti-hero is a bad guy that does good things. He might cheat on his wife, steal, gamble, etc, but when it "matters," he ends up on the side of what's good.

    Han Solo is an example that comes to mind.

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antihero

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    • U [email protected]

      There are no wrong answers, only your opinions 🙂

      Personally, I think an anti-hero is a bad guy that does good things. He might cheat on his wife, steal, gamble, etc, but when it "matters," he ends up on the side of what's good.

      Han Solo is an example that comes to mind.

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      i agree with you... not to be confused with the reluctant hero who really want no recognition and only to go about their day but cant

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      • U [email protected]

        There are no wrong answers, only your opinions 🙂

        Personally, I think an anti-hero is a bad guy that does good things. He might cheat on his wife, steal, gamble, etc, but when it "matters," he ends up on the side of what's good.

        Han Solo is an example that comes to mind.

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        The hero we need from the anti-verse

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        • U [email protected]

          There are no wrong answers, only your opinions 🙂

          Personally, I think an anti-hero is a bad guy that does good things. He might cheat on his wife, steal, gamble, etc, but when it "matters," he ends up on the side of what's good.

          Han Solo is an example that comes to mind.

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          Any hero that does the right thing for the wrong reasons.

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          • U [email protected]

            There are no wrong answers, only your opinions 🙂

            Personally, I think an anti-hero is a bad guy that does good things. He might cheat on his wife, steal, gamble, etc, but when it "matters," he ends up on the side of what's good.

            Han Solo is an example that comes to mind.

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            Although it's often written into the story to make them more sympathetic, I don't think an anti-hero needs to do the right thing when it matters. We can root for the thief in a heist movie even if he never really does the right thing.

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            • U [email protected]

              There are no wrong answers, only your opinions 🙂

              Personally, I think an anti-hero is a bad guy that does good things. He might cheat on his wife, steal, gamble, etc, but when it "matters," he ends up on the side of what's good.

              Han Solo is an example that comes to mind.

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              A character who either does the right thing for the wrong reason or the wrong things for the right reasons as a kind of twisted version of a hero. Really any hero type character that doesn't do the right things for the right reasons.

              Punisher is an anti-hero because he takes things way too far.

              Han Solo is an anti-hero because he is a scoundrel who happened to do the right thing a few times.

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              • U [email protected]

                There are no wrong answers, only your opinions 🙂

                Personally, I think an anti-hero is a bad guy that does good things. He might cheat on his wife, steal, gamble, etc, but when it "matters," he ends up on the side of what's good.

                Han Solo is an example that comes to mind.

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                Just watched this earlier from Brandon Sanderson. A modern anti-hero is just a hero that wears black.

                https://youtube.com/shorts/EsC9vJX1aQ4

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                • R [email protected]

                  Although it's often written into the story to make them more sympathetic, I don't think an anti-hero needs to do the right thing when it matters. We can root for the thief in a heist movie even if he never really does the right thing.

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                  Not all main characters are heroes or anti-heroes. They can just be protagonists.

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                  • U [email protected]

                    There are no wrong answers, only your opinions 🙂

                    Personally, I think an anti-hero is a bad guy that does good things. He might cheat on his wife, steal, gamble, etc, but when it "matters," he ends up on the side of what's good.

                    Han Solo is an example that comes to mind.

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                    Like Mario's brother.

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                    • U [email protected]

                      There are no wrong answers, only your opinions 🙂

                      Personally, I think an anti-hero is a bad guy that does good things. He might cheat on his wife, steal, gamble, etc, but when it "matters," he ends up on the side of what's good.

                      Han Solo is an example that comes to mind.

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                      It's like the saying, "is it wrong because it's illegal, or is it illegal because it's wrong?" It's a recognition that the law doesn't perfectly overlap what's morally correct.

                      Anti-heroes live in that 'moral-but-not-legal' area. Contrast that with people who bend the written law to serve immoral ends. Fascists tend to be Lawful Evil.

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                      • U [email protected]

                        There are no wrong answers, only your opinions 🙂

                        Personally, I think an anti-hero is a bad guy that does good things. He might cheat on his wife, steal, gamble, etc, but when it "matters," he ends up on the side of what's good.

                        Han Solo is an example that comes to mind.

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                        Of course there are wrong answers, otherwise the term has no meaning.

                        To me, an anti-hero is a character in a story who does not try to be a hero, and is not motivated by a heroic drive, but rather is selfish, and maybe stumbles upon doing the right thing in the end.

                        Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever is an example of this.

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                        • U [email protected]

                          There are no wrong answers, only your opinions 🙂

                          Personally, I think an anti-hero is a bad guy that does good things. He might cheat on his wife, steal, gamble, etc, but when it "matters," he ends up on the side of what's good.

                          Han Solo is an example that comes to mind.

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                          Han Solo is a reluctant hero. Not an anti-hero.

                          Hud (1963) is an anti-hero. He defies traditional morality. He's almost heroic-ish in the way he defies others, and is willing to do things his own way. But the film is constantly showing other people, who have strong values, and how Hud often does the opposite. Despite being a horrible person, he's not really 'the villain' either.

                          EDIT: Rick from Rick and Morty is an anti-hero.

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                            Like Mario's brother.

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                            Ohhhhhhhhh. I get it.

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                            • U [email protected]

                              There are no wrong answers, only your opinions 🙂

                              Personally, I think an anti-hero is a bad guy that does good things. He might cheat on his wife, steal, gamble, etc, but when it "matters," he ends up on the side of what's good.

                              Han Solo is an example that comes to mind.

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                              There's a lot of overlap with villains but whereas true villains are irredeemable, anti-heroes show some humanity or empathy or ethics in some context and have vulnerability.

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                              • U [email protected]

                                There are no wrong answers, only your opinions 🙂

                                Personally, I think an anti-hero is a bad guy that does good things. He might cheat on his wife, steal, gamble, etc, but when it "matters," he ends up on the side of what's good.

                                Han Solo is an example that comes to mind.

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                                John Constantine is a good example. He will do the right thing, even if it means sacrificing one of his oldest friends to eternal damnation to do it.

                                And his past is littered with people he's done that to. It's not a one off "Oh, sorry mate, only way to get this done is to... you know, infest you with a swarm of demon bugs..."

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                                  There's a lot of overlap with villains but whereas true villains are irredeemable, anti-heroes show some humanity or empathy or ethics in some context and have vulnerability.

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                                  Great distinction.

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                                  • U [email protected]

                                    There are no wrong answers, only your opinions 🙂

                                    Personally, I think an anti-hero is a bad guy that does good things. He might cheat on his wife, steal, gamble, etc, but when it "matters," he ends up on the side of what's good.

                                    Han Solo is an example that comes to mind.

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                                    For me it’s chaotic good vs lawful good.

                                    D&D divides character alignment along two moral axes, good vs evil, and lawful vs chaotic. Both can be neutral, and if you’re neutral in both you’re True Neutral. Heroes are good, but most are lawful good, like Superman in American comics and All Might (My Hero Academia) in Japanese ones. For chaotic good, that’s someone like Batman. I think that’s an anti hero.

                                    Whereas villains can be lawful evil or chaotic evil, that doesn’t seem to matter as much. Darth Vader is lawful evil — he is evil, but he follows a set of laws. The Sith code or whatever. Trump is more chaotic evil, he makes his own rules and just wants to see the world burn.

                                    I think most of us are close to true neutral. We might lean towards good but I don’t think most are pure good like a hero would be. Some of us lean toward lawful but aren’t pushing it like lawyers, judges, good cops I suppose… and some lean toward chaos (like say movie pirates) but they’re not trying to make the world burn, they just wanna watch stuff for free. The four extreme alignments are really reserved for heroes, villains — the movers and shakers.

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                                      There are no wrong answers, only your opinions 🙂

                                      Personally, I think an anti-hero is a bad guy that does good things. He might cheat on his wife, steal, gamble, etc, but when it "matters," he ends up on the side of what's good.

                                      Han Solo is an example that comes to mind.

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                                      There is a definition of what a narrative anti hero is.

                                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antihero

                                      What is this ongoing trend of encouraging opinions to redefine accepted terminology and culture? Just make up your own new words instead of diluting the meaning of existing ones into slop.

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                                      • spankmonkey@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                        A character who either does the right thing for the wrong reason or the wrong things for the right reasons as a kind of twisted version of a hero. Really any hero type character that doesn't do the right things for the right reasons.

                                        Punisher is an anti-hero because he takes things way too far.

                                        Han Solo is an anti-hero because he is a scoundrel who happened to do the right thing a few times.

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                                        "The right thing" is also in the eye of the beholder. The killing of that healthcare CEO for example.

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                                        • whaleross@lemmy.worldW [email protected]

                                          There is a definition of what a narrative anti hero is.

                                          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antihero

                                          What is this ongoing trend of encouraging opinions to redefine accepted terminology and culture? Just make up your own new words instead of diluting the meaning of existing ones into slop.

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                                          Literally.

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