Europe goes into daylight saving time despite controversy
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You dont gain an hour's sleep.
How come?
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So, you're saying that there might actually be some daylight left to do something after the work day / school day is over?
The day is much shorter in the middle winter, so it never was about daylight being left after work. I agree if there is less than 8 hours of daylight and you work 8 hours or more in a factory or an office it doesn't matter much which hours are dark and which aren't.
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No one is complaining about when we all gain an hours sleep in Autumn
Putting out a fire you started feels like doing hero's work.
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How come?
A rose is a rose and time is time. That "extra hour" can be taken any time you want and has nothing to do with changing a clock twice a year. You're going to sleep however mych you want or need to regardless of this construct
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So… change your working hours?
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A rose is a rose and time is time. That "extra hour" can be taken any time you want and has nothing to do with changing a clock twice a year. You're going to sleep however mych you want or need to regardless of this construct
Ah yeah, fair point. I didn't consider that option
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I do. I can't stand it because where I live it means I will no longer see the sun. Not to even mention how much it sucks ass from a mental standpoint to get out of work and have it be dark. I could not care less if I see a tiny bit of sunlight on my way to work lol. I've had multiple jobs where once ST hits, I'm going to work and coming home in darkness. I literally dont see the sun until the weekend. Imo give me whichever option that maximizes sunlight during most people's free time.
give me whichever option that maximizes sunlight during most people's free time
That’s not changed by adjusting clocks, it’s changed by adjusting work hours.
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I do. I can't stand it because where I live it means I will no longer see the sun. Not to even mention how much it sucks ass from a mental standpoint to get out of work and have it be dark. I could not care less if I see a tiny bit of sunlight on my way to work lol. I've had multiple jobs where once ST hits, I'm going to work and coming home in darkness. I literally dont see the sun until the weekend. Imo give me whichever option that maximizes sunlight during most people's free time.
I hate the sun.
Fuck that yellow bastard.
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I do. I can't stand it because where I live it means I will no longer see the sun. Not to even mention how much it sucks ass from a mental standpoint to get out of work and have it be dark. I could not care less if I see a tiny bit of sunlight on my way to work lol. I've had multiple jobs where once ST hits, I'm going to work and coming home in darkness. I literally dont see the sun until the weekend. Imo give me whichever option that maximizes sunlight during most people's free time.
I'm kind of the opposite, lol.
I miss my overnight shift.
I'd wake up, the world was quiet, there were no harsh lights to contend with, very few coworkers to deal with, even less management...
Just go in, put in my earbuds between calls, and do my shit. Then, when everyone is grumpy and trying to get coffee, I'm going home.
That being said, when the time changed it could be a blessing and a curse.
On one hand, sweet, short(ish) day... well, 11 hours. Then it swings the other way, and 13 hour shifts suck even more than 12 hours.
Watching the time roll back an hour feels very unfair when you're on the clock and just want to go home, lol.
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Mid-day should be the middle of the day.
Mid-night should be the middle of the night.If you like more light in the evening, go to bed late and wake up late. If you like light in the morning, go to bed early and wake up early.
Stop fucking with the clocks and making nonsensible decisions
If you like more light in the evening, go to bed late and wake up late.
What about people who are in school or employed?
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UTC all around the world is a completely different thing than UTC (or UTC+1) all over Europe. China also spans just over three natural timezones and they get by just fine with one.
they get by just fine with one.
China spans five geographic time zones and it does cause some pain to those living far away from Beijing. It's not a great system.
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I advocate for it. So far I'm always dismissed as a joke.
Since for most people and most of the world the normal life follows a fairly daylight centred rhythm that is something that's sensible to use as a common basis.
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Summary
Most European countries moved clocks forward one hour on Sunday, marking the start of daylight saving time (DST), a practice increasingly criticized.
Originally introduced during World War I to conserve energy, DST returned during the 1970s oil crisis and now shifts Central European Time to Central European Summer Time.
Despite a 2018 EU consultation where 84% of nearly 4 million respondents supported abolishing DST, implementation stalled due to member state disagreement.
Poland, currently holding the EU presidency, plans informal consultations to revisit the issue amid broader geopolitical priorities.
I've heard a few complaints today from people irl about having to change their clocks. Not about the time change itself, but having to change the time on clocks. It took me two minutes lol.
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Since for most people and most of the world the normal life follows a fairly daylight centred rhythm that is something that's sensible to use as a common basis.
Yes but
It makes programming hard
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To people thinking of enforcing UTC around the globe:
obligatory: https://qntm.org/abolish
Before I read this article, I also thought it would be a great idea to get rid of timezones entirely and just use UTC for everything. To quote from the link,
Abolishing time zones brings many benefits, I hope. It also:
- causes the question “What time is it there?” to be useless/unanswerable
- necessitates significant changes to the way in which normal people talk about time
- convolutes timetables, where present
- means “days” (of the week) are no longer the same as “days”
- complicates both secular and religious law
- is a staggering inconvenience for a minimum of five billion people
- makes it near-impossible to reason about time in other parts of the world
- does not mean everybody gets up at the same time, goes to work at the same time, or goes to bed at the same time
- is not simpler.
As long as humans live in more than one part of the world, solar time is always going to be subjective. Abolishing time zones only exacerbates this problem.
(copied from one of my 9-month old comments)
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So… change your working hours?
Stop changing the working hours. The clocks are fine for 9 months out of the year. All of the problems occur in the remaining three months, and only occur because we arbitrarily change everyone's working hours with no good reason. Stop pushing everyone to a bullshit "winter" schedule for three months, when the normal summer schedule works just fine.
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I will never understand why people want the time we only use for 3 months to be the time we use for the whole year. I would rather people just be able to admit that December is dark (for the northern hemisphere) and we can do shit at a different time.
wdym 3 months? both CET and CEST are used approximately half a year
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I live in a non-DST area and it is very nice
The only time I'm reminded that DST is a thing in most of the world, is when people are complaining about it online after it already switched over.
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Stop changing the working hours. The clocks are fine for 9 months out of the year. All of the problems occur in the remaining three months, and only occur because we arbitrarily change everyone's working hours with no good reason. Stop pushing everyone to a bullshit "winter" schedule for three months, when the normal summer schedule works just fine.
It’s the summer hours that are abnormal though…
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You'll trade one day of one extra hour of sleep for increased misery all winter long?
Well no, because if you remove DST you'd go for the time zone where noon means the sun is straight up. That's the winter schedule, so you summer evenings get an hour shorter.
If we get rid of DST everybody needs to start work an hour earlier IMHO.
