What was the articulation point of the fall of the Roman empire, in which it was finally publicly and commonly recognized as fallen
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What evidence or sign became apparent that it was over?
Consider this.... The Roman Empire still exists through Catholicism with Vatican City (in the city of Rome) as its seat of power.
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Consider this.... The Roman Empire still exists through Catholicism with Vatican City (in the city of Rome) as its seat of power.
They got conquered... Multiple times, (not permenently, but rome has been brunt down a few times) in terms of organizations of power that were formed from the Roman Empire and were never kicked over, I would argue it would be the orthodox christians in Finland, Norway and Sweden. (Blame the soviets for why that list is small)
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What evidence or sign became apparent that it was over?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It's pretty much memetic that there is no agreed-on date.
Like, you could go 1456 and not be wrong, and in multiple ways Russia inherited a lot of Byzantium. At the other end, Rome was in decline loong before it was sacked, like centuries, and actually had had brushes with instability all along in it's Empire period, like the year of four emperors in 69.
Edit: One of the mentioned memes.
when you fall down the stairs, do you timestamp the moment you tripped, the moment you landed at the bottom, or every moment you hit each and every step on the way down?
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It's pretty much memetic that there is no agreed-on date.
Like, you could go 1456 and not be wrong, and in multiple ways Russia inherited a lot of Byzantium. At the other end, Rome was in decline loong before it was sacked, like centuries, and actually had had brushes with instability all along in it's Empire period, like the year of four emperors in 69.
Edit: One of the mentioned memes.
when you fall down the stairs, do you timestamp the moment you tripped, the moment you landed at the bottom, or every moment you hit each and every step on the way down?
The only people that say Russia inherited Byzantium are the Russians, and the people who definitely wouldn't have agreed are the Byzantines, once they figured out you were talking about them with that nonsense made-up word instead of an actual translation of "Roman"
Tl;d saying Russia inherited Rome is as valid and accurate as saying the Germans are the heirs of the Aryans, and the people saying either have similar goals.
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The only people that say Russia inherited Byzantium are the Russians, and the people who definitely wouldn't have agreed are the Byzantines, once they figured out you were talking about them with that nonsense made-up word instead of an actual translation of "Roman"
Tl;d saying Russia inherited Rome is as valid and accurate as saying the Germans are the heirs of the Aryans, and the people saying either have similar goals.
Remind me where the eastern Church moved, when Byzantium was still there but in decline? There's also the cultural and aristocratic connections.
Like, you can easily argue the other way as well, since they're not Greek, but it's not as totally groundless as most of Russian nationalism.
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Remind me where the eastern Church moved, when Byzantium was still there but in decline? There's also the cultural and aristocratic connections.
Like, you can easily argue the other way as well, since they're not Greek, but it's not as totally groundless as most of Russian nationalism.
Okay buddy Russian
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Okay buddy Russian
It's the facts. You don't have to pay any attention to them if you don't want, I guess.
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It's the facts. You don't have to pay any attention to them if you don't want, I guess.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Got em right from RT so they and all conclusions derived from them must be true amirite
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It's pretty much memetic that there is no agreed-on date.
Like, you could go 1456 and not be wrong, and in multiple ways Russia inherited a lot of Byzantium. At the other end, Rome was in decline loong before it was sacked, like centuries, and actually had had brushes with instability all along in it's Empire period, like the year of four emperors in 69.
Edit: One of the mentioned memes.
when you fall down the stairs, do you timestamp the moment you tripped, the moment you landed at the bottom, or every moment you hit each and every step on the way down?
The pope holds a title associated with the roman emperor and controlled Rome until the unification of Italy.
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The pope holds a title associated with the roman emperor and controlled Rome until the unification of Italy.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yeah, but there was a 3 century break before the the local Germanic rulers decided to give it to the pope as a temporal domain.
The Church in general is a solid example of a way Rome lived on very directly and relevantly after Roman period ended, it's a good point. It's also why we still have so much of their literature, while that of Parthia is lost. And I should mention that the Byzantine emperor Justinian got close to bringing the western half of the empire back.
