Isn't there somebody you forgot to ask?
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You can look at the list :3 this is from itch talking about collective shout. A lot of them are US based, the last one is japanese
Funny they don’t name their own Australian conservative anti abortion Christian founder though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melinda_Tankard_Reist
Funny that they are trying to empower women so much but aren’t going after any of the social media of fundie women telling young girls their only purpose in life is to breed and serve their husband
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People believing in their fake arguments... What they want is to empower the power (a dictatorial State)
If these childs (when they grow adults) live in a horrible country without freedom... maybe it is better dont protect them
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Okay, devils advocate time.
What is the correct way to ban rape and anime CSAM games from Steam?
Because I don’t buy “freedom” and “none of my business” as reasonable moral positions.
I think it’s justified to want to prevent people from normalizing extreme content publicly.
I think one of the greatest moral failings of modern society is the obsession with allowing companies, rich folk, and the deranged to build systems and communities of harm because society should always be neutral for some reason.
I do agree that payment systems shouldn’t be the ultimate arbiters of what’s permissible, and general sexual content is a normal part of what it means to be human. But we should have limits.
This conversation is completely dominated by people focusing on the “censorship.” As if we don’t justifiably ban snuff or actual films of these sorts of activities.
Please think of the children? Yes, and think of the women these sorts of norms harm. Sometimes you really should care.
This conversation is always completely without nuance, as if all censorship is objectively wrong. Sex games should be legal, unless they are absurdly harmful. And yes, I realize that line is sometimes hard to draw, but we absolutely should find it.
Failing to have a reasonable way to remove something you find genuinely immoral, and defaulting to this “trick” I think is a respectable action for someone who is trying to be ethical to take, even if I don’t completely agree with all her views.
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Couldn't people just by steam cards with cash, load load it to their accounts and then make their porn purchases? What's to stop other retailers from selling gift cards that can be purchased with cash to use on the pornographic stuff being sold? Edit: I just learned this issue stems from the major CC companies refusing to let companies like steam use their platform to process payments if they kept NSFW games up. My question still stands, what's keeping steam or the player base from telling these companies to f-off and switch to a cash based gift card method?
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Okay, devils advocate time.
What is the correct way to ban rape and anime CSAM games from Steam?
Because I don’t buy “freedom” and “none of my business” as reasonable moral positions.
I think it’s justified to want to prevent people from normalizing extreme content publicly.
I think one of the greatest moral failings of modern society is the obsession with allowing companies, rich folk, and the deranged to build systems and communities of harm because society should always be neutral for some reason.
I do agree that payment systems shouldn’t be the ultimate arbiters of what’s permissible, and general sexual content is a normal part of what it means to be human. But we should have limits.
This conversation is completely dominated by people focusing on the “censorship.” As if we don’t justifiably ban snuff or actual films of these sorts of activities.
Please think of the children? Yes, and think of the women these sorts of norms harm. Sometimes you really should care.
This conversation is always completely without nuance, as if all censorship is objectively wrong. Sex games should be legal, unless they are absurdly harmful. And yes, I realize that line is sometimes hard to draw, but we absolutely should find it.
Failing to have a reasonable way to remove something you find genuinely immoral, and defaulting to this “trick” I think is a respectable action for someone who is trying to be ethical to take, even if I don’t completely agree with all her views.
No matter the argument for or against allowing a game, the role of deciding this should not fall to a payment processor basically holding a game platform hostage.
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I get that it was a typo, and you meant to say "disciples", but I like it better this way.
Like Jesus was studying for a career in sex work.
I think the disciples are disciplined by the cult guru.
And we know how many of those guru end up with megaorgies
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Couldn't people just by steam cards with cash, load load it to their accounts and then make their porn purchases? What's to stop other retailers from selling gift cards that can be purchased with cash to use on the pornographic stuff being sold? Edit: I just learned this issue stems from the major CC companies refusing to let companies like steam use their platform to process payments if they kept NSFW games up. My question still stands, what's keeping steam or the player base from telling these companies to f-off and switch to a cash based gift card method?
The biggest reason is Steam would likely lose more money from doing that compared with removing the games the card companies are being assholes about.
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Won't somebody please think of the children?!
I have made children illegal, this problem will self-correct within 18 years
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Kind of like how Republicans wamt to police your sexual partners. Pretty sad in this day of age. Who cares how people spend money and what they spend it on.
If you're so concerned about kids, launch a parental education campaign. Or age verify with the card.
If you're a parent, you shouldn't be attaching your payment methods to kids' accounts anyway. That's financial suicide.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I think this is from "Collective shout" they seem to think
the seem like your typical porn prohibitionists
They figured out they could milk the outrage machine by having indecent art game become neo-banned booksI think this circus is to throw the games off of the scent of the billionaire elite and their epstein getaways to mossad island
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To the people who are pushing this:
Do you want everyone to start using crypto where all transactions are not controllable by you at all? Because this is how you get people to do that.
I highly doubt that crypto could deliver on that particular promise.
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No matter the argument for or against allowing a game, the role of deciding this should not fall to a payment processor basically holding a game platform hostage.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I mean isn’t this the gaming concept of scrub mentality? If I believe a specific moral act outweighs a minor dishonourable act, then shouldn’t I still do that act?
Say I know someone is being beaten in a locked room. It is an important government room, and only key holders elected by the community should enter.
I think it’s justifiable to kick down the door and stop the beating, because beating people up is against my morals so much more than ensuring proper procedure.
But when if someone does that, and everyone endlessly gripes about how “passerbys should not have authority to enter the special room” instead of “well at least I’m glad someone isn’t being beaten up anymore”, then I have to wonder if most people are fine with beatings?
Terrible analogy, non-equivalent etc, but do you see what I’m saying. Because I agree with you that card companies shouldn’t set the terms of what’s acceptable - I mentioned it in my first post.
Using the card company to stop the distribution of tape material is a cheap tactic, but if preventing harm is winning, then saying it’s never justified is scrub mentality, as if beating someone by spamming hadoken doesn’t count.
Patch the game later if it’s so unfair, this is the only way to get it removed right now. The deck is stacked against activists - usually the only effective options they have are disruptive and outside the system.
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Free market baby. If VISA decides it will lose money processing payments for hentai games it's their prerogative to not process them.
I'd wager you have crypto wallet if you the kind of person who cares about hentai games. Go support the developer directly if it matters so much.
Hentai games are not going to make the 98% of people who don't play them care about Payment Oligopolies, which is the closet thing to moral cause here.
Nothing wrong with hentai but getting worked up over it is a red flag.
Free market baby. If VISA decides it will lose money processing payments for hentai games it's their prerogative to not process them.
You're so right, and I'm obviously happy when things like this happen. Thank you, VISA. Thank you, Mastercard. Thank you, Capital One. Thank you, American Express. Praise be to God, guns, and government. Amen.
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I mean isn’t this the gaming concept of scrub mentality? If I believe a specific moral act outweighs a minor dishonourable act, then shouldn’t I still do that act?
Say I know someone is being beaten in a locked room. It is an important government room, and only key holders elected by the community should enter.
I think it’s justifiable to kick down the door and stop the beating, because beating people up is against my morals so much more than ensuring proper procedure.
But when if someone does that, and everyone endlessly gripes about how “passerbys should not have authority to enter the special room” instead of “well at least I’m glad someone isn’t being beaten up anymore”, then I have to wonder if most people are fine with beatings?
Terrible analogy, non-equivalent etc, but do you see what I’m saying. Because I agree with you that card companies shouldn’t set the terms of what’s acceptable - I mentioned it in my first post.
Using the card company to stop the distribution of tape material is a cheap tactic, but if preventing harm is winning, then saying it’s never justified is scrub mentality, as if beating someone by spamming hadoken doesn’t count.
Patch the game later if it’s so unfair, this is the only way to get it removed right now. The deck is stacked against activists - usually the only effective options they have are disruptive and outside the system.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I think it would be different if the provocateurs in question weren't, like, religious zealots or whatever. I have little confidence their aim is to move the needle in a direction I'd like it to go.
I've argued with plenty of do-nothing dip shits about Just Stop Oil who are concerned solely with getting to work on time and, apparently, the plexiglass in front of famous paintings. But the difference is, Just Stop Oil is a cause I can get behind. I'm not worried that supporting them would also lead to mandatory chastity cages, you know?
I mean, I will admit the first steam list I saw, I thought "This seems bad. Can't imagine missing any of these titles, though."
[edit] I actually forgot to mention this: The "right way" to do, like, CSAM counter-terrorism on the level of whatever is happening now will virtually always incense a bunch of libertarians—it's not really avoidable.
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I think it would be different if the provocateurs in question weren't, like, religious zealots or whatever. I have little confidence their aim is to move the needle in a direction I'd like it to go.
I've argued with plenty of do-nothing dip shits about Just Stop Oil who are concerned solely with getting to work on time and, apparently, the plexiglass in front of famous paintings. But the difference is, Just Stop Oil is a cause I can get behind. I'm not worried that supporting them would also lead to mandatory chastity cages, you know?
I mean, I will admit the first steam list I saw, I thought "This seems bad. Can't imagine missing any of these titles, though."
[edit] I actually forgot to mention this: The "right way" to do, like, CSAM counter-terrorism on the level of whatever is happening now will virtually always incense a bunch of libertarians—it's not really avoidable.
wrote last edited by [email protected]That’s just about how I feel.
Although I do wish we could take action on obviously terrible media without fearing slippery slopes to mandatory chastity cages.
I have to assume there are many non-zealot feminists who exist and are happy to see this gone. But all I see online is grumbling- it’s disturbing
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That's the best case outcome no matter what, that's what crypto should be, not some brain rot hype scam fest. Also for private transactions, that's why Monero Is the only good crypto, its actually private and secure.
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I highly doubt that crypto could deliver on that particular promise.
wrote last edited by [email protected]It already does deliver on that promise, crypto is used extensively online for drug orders. You may think that's bad, but it shows how well it works for secure and restriction less transactions.
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That’s just about how I feel.
Although I do wish we could take action on obviously terrible media without fearing slippery slopes to mandatory chastity cages.
I have to assume there are many non-zealot feminists who exist and are happy to see this gone. But all I see online is grumbling- it’s disturbing
To be clear, I'm talking about leadership. It'd be a bit like celebrating J.K. Rowling for her advocacy against spousal abuse, meanwhile, she's still dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars into nazi anti-trans groups. More of a broken clock situation than a slippery slope.
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I have made children illegal, this problem will self-correct within 18 years
You reminded me and (unintentionally) made me go read about Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. In the story, there is a child-catcher working for the Baron and Baroness of Vulgaria where children are illegal.
Whilst watching the child-catcher scene, I saw a familiar face. It was the toymaker who was portrayed by Benny Hill. That made me check the IMDB page and it was indeed him. Also of note: the story was written by Ian Flemming (screenplay by Roald Dahl) and one of the children was the (then) future singer Phil Collins.
/tangent
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Wait till you learn that only fans models have people reply for them or bots! Loooool
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To be clear, I'm talking about leadership. It'd be a bit like celebrating J.K. Rowling for her advocacy against spousal abuse, meanwhile, she's still dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars into nazi anti-trans groups. More of a broken clock situation than a slippery slope.
Never thought I would be finding common ground on a controversial topic with a guy named petrol_sniff_king but here we are
