Isn't there somebody you forgot to ask?
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To the people who are pushing this:
Do you want everyone to start using crypto where all transactions are not controllable by you at all? Because this is how you get people to do that.
I highly doubt that crypto could deliver on that particular promise.
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No matter the argument for or against allowing a game, the role of deciding this should not fall to a payment processor basically holding a game platform hostage.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I mean isn’t this the gaming concept of scrub mentality? If I believe a specific moral act outweighs a minor dishonourable act, then shouldn’t I still do that act?
Say I know someone is being beaten in a locked room. It is an important government room, and only key holders elected by the community should enter.
I think it’s justifiable to kick down the door and stop the beating, because beating people up is against my morals so much more than ensuring proper procedure.
But when if someone does that, and everyone endlessly gripes about how “passerbys should not have authority to enter the special room” instead of “well at least I’m glad someone isn’t being beaten up anymore”, then I have to wonder if most people are fine with beatings?
Terrible analogy, non-equivalent etc, but do you see what I’m saying. Because I agree with you that card companies shouldn’t set the terms of what’s acceptable - I mentioned it in my first post.
Using the card company to stop the distribution of tape material is a cheap tactic, but if preventing harm is winning, then saying it’s never justified is scrub mentality, as if beating someone by spamming hadoken doesn’t count.
Patch the game later if it’s so unfair, this is the only way to get it removed right now. The deck is stacked against activists - usually the only effective options they have are disruptive and outside the system.
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Free market baby. If VISA decides it will lose money processing payments for hentai games it's their prerogative to not process them.
I'd wager you have crypto wallet if you the kind of person who cares about hentai games. Go support the developer directly if it matters so much.
Hentai games are not going to make the 98% of people who don't play them care about Payment Oligopolies, which is the closet thing to moral cause here.
Nothing wrong with hentai but getting worked up over it is a red flag.
Free market baby. If VISA decides it will lose money processing payments for hentai games it's their prerogative to not process them.
You're so right, and I'm obviously happy when things like this happen. Thank you, VISA. Thank you, Mastercard. Thank you, Capital One. Thank you, American Express. Praise be to God, guns, and government. Amen.
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I mean isn’t this the gaming concept of scrub mentality? If I believe a specific moral act outweighs a minor dishonourable act, then shouldn’t I still do that act?
Say I know someone is being beaten in a locked room. It is an important government room, and only key holders elected by the community should enter.
I think it’s justifiable to kick down the door and stop the beating, because beating people up is against my morals so much more than ensuring proper procedure.
But when if someone does that, and everyone endlessly gripes about how “passerbys should not have authority to enter the special room” instead of “well at least I’m glad someone isn’t being beaten up anymore”, then I have to wonder if most people are fine with beatings?
Terrible analogy, non-equivalent etc, but do you see what I’m saying. Because I agree with you that card companies shouldn’t set the terms of what’s acceptable - I mentioned it in my first post.
Using the card company to stop the distribution of tape material is a cheap tactic, but if preventing harm is winning, then saying it’s never justified is scrub mentality, as if beating someone by spamming hadoken doesn’t count.
Patch the game later if it’s so unfair, this is the only way to get it removed right now. The deck is stacked against activists - usually the only effective options they have are disruptive and outside the system.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I think it would be different if the provocateurs in question weren't, like, religious zealots or whatever. I have little confidence their aim is to move the needle in a direction I'd like it to go.
I've argued with plenty of do-nothing dip shits about Just Stop Oil who are concerned solely with getting to work on time and, apparently, the plexiglass in front of famous paintings. But the difference is, Just Stop Oil is a cause I can get behind. I'm not worried that supporting them would also lead to mandatory chastity cages, you know?
I mean, I will admit the first steam list I saw, I thought "This seems bad. Can't imagine missing any of these titles, though."
[edit] I actually forgot to mention this: The "right way" to do, like, CSAM counter-terrorism on the level of whatever is happening now will virtually always incense a bunch of libertarians—it's not really avoidable.
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I think it would be different if the provocateurs in question weren't, like, religious zealots or whatever. I have little confidence their aim is to move the needle in a direction I'd like it to go.
I've argued with plenty of do-nothing dip shits about Just Stop Oil who are concerned solely with getting to work on time and, apparently, the plexiglass in front of famous paintings. But the difference is, Just Stop Oil is a cause I can get behind. I'm not worried that supporting them would also lead to mandatory chastity cages, you know?
I mean, I will admit the first steam list I saw, I thought "This seems bad. Can't imagine missing any of these titles, though."
[edit] I actually forgot to mention this: The "right way" to do, like, CSAM counter-terrorism on the level of whatever is happening now will virtually always incense a bunch of libertarians—it's not really avoidable.
wrote last edited by [email protected]That’s just about how I feel.
Although I do wish we could take action on obviously terrible media without fearing slippery slopes to mandatory chastity cages.
I have to assume there are many non-zealot feminists who exist and are happy to see this gone. But all I see online is grumbling- it’s disturbing
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That's the best case outcome no matter what, that's what crypto should be, not some brain rot hype scam fest. Also for private transactions, that's why Monero Is the only good crypto, its actually private and secure.
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I highly doubt that crypto could deliver on that particular promise.
wrote last edited by [email protected]It already does deliver on that promise, crypto is used extensively online for drug orders. You may think that's bad, but it shows how well it works for secure and restriction less transactions.
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That’s just about how I feel.
Although I do wish we could take action on obviously terrible media without fearing slippery slopes to mandatory chastity cages.
I have to assume there are many non-zealot feminists who exist and are happy to see this gone. But all I see online is grumbling- it’s disturbing
To be clear, I'm talking about leadership. It'd be a bit like celebrating J.K. Rowling for her advocacy against spousal abuse, meanwhile, she's still dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars into nazi anti-trans groups. More of a broken clock situation than a slippery slope.
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I have made children illegal, this problem will self-correct within 18 years
You reminded me and (unintentionally) made me go read about Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. In the story, there is a child-catcher working for the Baron and Baroness of Vulgaria where children are illegal.
Whilst watching the child-catcher scene, I saw a familiar face. It was the toymaker who was portrayed by Benny Hill. That made me check the IMDB page and it was indeed him. Also of note: the story was written by Ian Flemming (screenplay by Roald Dahl) and one of the children was the (then) future singer Phil Collins.
/tangent
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Wait till you learn that only fans models have people reply for them or bots! Loooool
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To be clear, I'm talking about leadership. It'd be a bit like celebrating J.K. Rowling for her advocacy against spousal abuse, meanwhile, she's still dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars into nazi anti-trans groups. More of a broken clock situation than a slippery slope.
Never thought I would be finding common ground on a controversial topic with a guy named petrol_sniff_king but here we are
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You reminded me and (unintentionally) made me go read about Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. In the story, there is a child-catcher working for the Baron and Baroness of Vulgaria where children are illegal.
Whilst watching the child-catcher scene, I saw a familiar face. It was the toymaker who was portrayed by Benny Hill. That made me check the IMDB page and it was indeed him. Also of note: the story was written by Ian Flemming (screenplay by Roald Dahl) and one of the children was the (then) future singer Phil Collins.
/tangent
I think this is the passage your refer to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LehcJeNbFBw
So it's curtis yarvin and he brings them directly to the billionaires
Then the children threaten to 9/11 their tower
I think I'm going to watch the rest of this
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Fuck you dollar jesus.
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It already does deliver on that promise, crypto is used extensively online for drug orders. You may think that's bad, but it shows how well it works for secure and restriction less transactions.
It's extremely clunky, it takes menace of being killed by the state before people will put up with the jank
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Couldn't people just by steam cards with cash, load load it to their accounts and then make their porn purchases? What's to stop other retailers from selling gift cards that can be purchased with cash to use on the pornographic stuff being sold? Edit: I just learned this issue stems from the major CC companies refusing to let companies like steam use their platform to process payments if they kept NSFW games up. My question still stands, what's keeping steam or the player base from telling these companies to f-off and switch to a cash based gift card method?
and then make their porn purchases
The issue goes far beyond "porn games on Steam". These same groups tried to ben other games with no sex at all, but "disturbing" themes (to them). They failed, because, big game, big pushback. But their agenda is not "no porn", it's "no anything we dislike". They're just starting with the thing they hoped would get little to no pushback for now.
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Just read about brazilian PIX system and I am baffled. Their gov bypassed payment companies all together and trump is really angry about it Lol. Epic
Sounds like good shit.
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and then make their porn purchases
The issue goes far beyond "porn games on Steam". These same groups tried to ben other games with no sex at all, but "disturbing" themes (to them). They failed, because, big game, big pushback. But their agenda is not "no porn", it's "no anything we dislike". They're just starting with the thing they hoped would get little to no pushback for now.
Its really odd, cause you'd think they'd just want to make money no matter where it comes from.
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Society has never been able to keep NSFW content out of the hands of viewers / end users, and have tried multiple times. Singles (a The Sims -like with actual sex -- if kinda clinical; it was a German game) was pressured off shelves in Target, Gamestop and Electronics Boutique. It came back with underwear stapled on, which was quickly hacked off.
This is how we ended up with official / unofficial patches that re-unlock all the naked bits in games like Huniepop, Nude keys, nude codes and nude patches became the convention which ushered video games into the same perversity level of cinema. (We've already had countless fan-made nude patches for non-romantic games).
And of course they're going too far, pressuring distribution services to cut LGBT+ content whether it's porn or not. Before they were emboldened by Trump, there was already pressure to de-list specific themes (an incomplete list: rape/NC; fictional child sex abuse/child experimentation; incest; and depending on the assessment, furry content within a certain threshold.¹ ). Anyhow we know the white Christian nationalist movement (from which the Heritage Society's Project 2025 and the Seven Mountain Mandate come) is looking to criminalize porn and make it difficult to access.
1: This is still weird to me, enough to geek out about it here. Furry hate gets strangely specific. It breaks down like this:
- Those who disapprove of all furry content that is adult-themed (contrast the 1983 movie Rock and Rule vs. 1973 Disney's Robin Hood ) this group probably only exists because there's a significant fanbase for furry porn / erotica.
- Of those that remain, those who disapprove of furry content featuring explicit sex (e.g. "Omaha" the Cat Dancer first published in 1976, by Reed Waller and Kate Worley.)
- Of those that remain, those who disapprove of furry content that is exclusively erotic (I can't find the specific ones I've read, which isn't many.)
- Of those that remain, those who disapprove of erotic furry content that features species-accurate genitals, which is the threshold VISA was in, and is too spicy for some lemmings. I don't fully understand why this is a subcategory.
The thing is most porn games and most LGBT+ centric games are labors of love, first, and a revenue source second. They will get made and get out, more so, when entire demographics and communities are stripped of a voice or of acknowledgement. It also puts less spicy porn in the same category as unethically spicy porn (e.g. CSAM). If the public has to use the same methods as terrorists and child predators to get their fix, it makes those groups less illegitimate. In for a lamb, in for a sheep.
Anyhow useful websites are here:
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Kind of like how Republicans wamt to police your sexual partners. Pretty sad in this day of age. Who cares how people spend money and what they spend it on.
If you're so concerned about kids, launch a parental education campaign. Or age verify with the card.
If you're a parent, you shouldn't be attaching your payment methods to kids' accounts anyway. That's financial suicide.
According to Knitting Cult Lady, cults always demand purity from its disciples, including those forced in (e.g. people raised in cults as kids), and there's an exception for the godhead-dude (who is often a lech).
It's not about children. It's about forcing obedience and virtue signalling. It's a nazi salute that shows to fellow party members you're one of them.
Real children's issues are about pulling kids out of precarity: food, housing, contact with family, education, healthcare, quality of life. Anyone who is saying their cause is to protect children who hasn't prioritized these specific things is engaging in a bad-faith argument.
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The time is now if you're looking to start your own payment system
The CEO stepped down and there is a new one in charge
