Isn't there somebody you forgot to ask?
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and then make their porn purchases
The issue goes far beyond "porn games on Steam". These same groups tried to ben other games with no sex at all, but "disturbing" themes (to them). They failed, because, big game, big pushback. But their agenda is not "no porn", it's "no anything we dislike". They're just starting with the thing they hoped would get little to no pushback for now.
Its really odd, cause you'd think they'd just want to make money no matter where it comes from.
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Society has never been able to keep NSFW content out of the hands of viewers / end users, and have tried multiple times. Singles (a The Sims -like with actual sex -- if kinda clinical; it was a German game) was pressured off shelves in Target, Gamestop and Electronics Boutique. It came back with underwear stapled on, which was quickly hacked off.
This is how we ended up with official / unofficial patches that re-unlock all the naked bits in games like Huniepop, Nude keys, nude codes and nude patches became the convention which ushered video games into the same perversity level of cinema. (We've already had countless fan-made nude patches for non-romantic games).
And of course they're going too far, pressuring distribution services to cut LGBT+ content whether it's porn or not. Before they were emboldened by Trump, there was already pressure to de-list specific themes (an incomplete list: rape/NC; fictional child sex abuse/child experimentation; incest; and depending on the assessment, furry content within a certain threshold.¹ ). Anyhow we know the white Christian nationalist movement (from which the Heritage Society's Project 2025 and the Seven Mountain Mandate come) is looking to criminalize porn and make it difficult to access.
1: This is still weird to me, enough to geek out about it here. Furry hate gets strangely specific. It breaks down like this:
- Those who disapprove of all furry content that is adult-themed (contrast the 1983 movie Rock and Rule vs. 1973 Disney's Robin Hood ) this group probably only exists because there's a significant fanbase for furry porn / erotica.
- Of those that remain, those who disapprove of furry content featuring explicit sex (e.g. "Omaha" the Cat Dancer first published in 1976, by Reed Waller and Kate Worley.)
- Of those that remain, those who disapprove of furry content that is exclusively erotic (I can't find the specific ones I've read, which isn't many.)
- Of those that remain, those who disapprove of erotic furry content that features species-accurate genitals, which is the threshold VISA was in, and is too spicy for some lemmings. I don't fully understand why this is a subcategory.
The thing is most porn games and most LGBT+ centric games are labors of love, first, and a revenue source second. They will get made and get out, more so, when entire demographics and communities are stripped of a voice or of acknowledgement. It also puts less spicy porn in the same category as unethically spicy porn (e.g. CSAM). If the public has to use the same methods as terrorists and child predators to get their fix, it makes those groups less illegitimate. In for a lamb, in for a sheep.
Anyhow useful websites are here:
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Kind of like how Republicans wamt to police your sexual partners. Pretty sad in this day of age. Who cares how people spend money and what they spend it on.
If you're so concerned about kids, launch a parental education campaign. Or age verify with the card.
If you're a parent, you shouldn't be attaching your payment methods to kids' accounts anyway. That's financial suicide.
According to Knitting Cult Lady, cults always demand purity from its disciples, including those forced in (e.g. people raised in cults as kids), and there's an exception for the godhead-dude (who is often a lech).
It's not about children. It's about forcing obedience and virtue signalling. It's a nazi salute that shows to fellow party members you're one of them.
Real children's issues are about pulling kids out of precarity: food, housing, contact with family, education, healthcare, quality of life. Anyone who is saying their cause is to protect children who hasn't prioritized these specific things is engaging in a bad-faith argument.
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The time is now if you're looking to start your own payment system
The CEO stepped down and there is a new one in charge
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It already does deliver on that promise, crypto is used extensively online for drug orders. You may think that's bad, but it shows how well it works for secure and restriction less transactions.
That's the whole thing. Crypto was supposed to be a currency system by using a block chain as a ledger.
Ethereum is kind of what crypto was thought up to be. A semi stable coin, that serves as decentralized currency.
In some ways it's brilliant; no institution that can watch what you buy, limit you or take their cut. But then again, it's rife with illegal transactions and some really impactful theoretical attacks, especially against the ledger. It's a blessing and a curse.
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Okay, devils advocate time.
What is the correct way to ban rape and anime CSAM games from Steam?
Because I don’t buy “freedom” and “none of my business” as reasonable moral positions.
I think it’s justified to want to prevent people from normalizing extreme content publicly.
I think one of the greatest moral failings of modern society is the obsession with allowing companies, rich folk, and the deranged to build systems and communities of harm because society should always be neutral for some reason.
I do agree that payment systems shouldn’t be the ultimate arbiters of what’s permissible, and general sexual content is a normal part of what it means to be human. But we should have limits.
This conversation is completely dominated by people focusing on the “censorship.” As if we don’t justifiably ban snuff or actual films of these sorts of activities.
Please think of the children? Yes, and think of the women these sorts of norms harm. Sometimes you really should care.
This conversation is always completely without nuance, as if all censorship is objectively wrong. Sex games should be legal, unless they are absurdly harmful. And yes, I realize that line is sometimes hard to draw, but we absolutely should find it.
Failing to have a reasonable way to remove something you find genuinely immoral, and defaulting to this “trick” I think is a respectable action for someone who is trying to be ethical to take, even if I don’t completely agree with all her views.
What is the correct way to ban rape and anime CSAM games from Steam?
I think the first step is defining terms and being transparent about your intent. Like, everybody's on board with banning pedoshit until you find out the organization is targeting transfolk and covering for real pedophiles. I have run into people who think all anime is CSAM, I have run into people who think all sex is rape. There's enough kooks out there, you can't just take a political org like Collective Shout at face value.
You'd probably have to go game-by-game and point out that the game has certain elements, provide evidence that those elements are actually dangerous, then start a petition for Steam et al to remove individual titles.
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Why not GNU Taler?
Does not work around the necessity to get all major retail banks or the central bank on board, as they outline in their FAQ.
There's no magic bullet, if you want to act as a payment processor you only have a handful of options:
- Do a bank wire (but it's not pre-authorized so you're just providing a deposit account for your customers, like PayPal)
- Use Visa/MC (which PayPal falls back to if you have no money in your deposit account)
- Use regional payment processors where they exist (e.g. Bancontact/iDEAL in the Benelux, which Stripe conveniently abstracts for the retailers; however most countries don't have such a widespread alternative to American payment processors)
- Use physical cash
- Agree on a protocol to pre-authorize transfers on behalf of your customer with all banks your customers are likely to be using (in the EU you can do that with SEPA mandates, which PayPal does support as well)
In practice the EU is doing that last thing with Wero (which already has partnered with all major retail banks in Benelux+France+Germany) and Brazil successfully did the same with Pix. It's not that the technical part is particularly hard, it's that convincing the banking sector to adhere to and commercially promote a new standard is a long, expensive, arduous process that requires strong political connections.
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That's the whole thing. Crypto was supposed to be a currency system by using a block chain as a ledger.
Ethereum is kind of what crypto was thought up to be. A semi stable coin, that serves as decentralized currency.
In some ways it's brilliant; no institution that can watch what you buy, limit you or take their cut. But then again, it's rife with illegal transactions and some really impactful theoretical attacks, especially against the ledger. It's a blessing and a curse.
I don't think ETH was ever expected to be stable. Vitalik Buterin already had a good reputation and the pre-sale (ICO) was well-publicized. They expected ETH to be the liquidity for decentralized stable coins.
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Its really odd, cause you'd think they'd just want to make money no matter where it comes from.
the only thing worth more than money to these kinds of people is making other people suffer.
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The time is now if you're looking to start your own payment system
This is the actual stated goal of Bitcoin. And this is an actual use for it. But that ship sailed a very long time ago.
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No oligopoly is when several companies control the market. Monopoly is when a single company controls the market.
Shouldn't have jerked off all zoom class bud.
if you're going to be all "uhm, aktchually" you might want to make sure you get the terms right:
when it's 2 companies, it's called a duopoly.
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I think they're working on bringing a lot of it back and stuff, but ya know :3
Last I checked you couldn't search for anything with the "nsfw" tag
Not gonna lie their tag system sucks eggs, no way to exclude tags when searching on their site/app, I thought the site was nothing but horror when I first got into it.
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What does Jesus need with my credit card information?
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An action group of Karens who in the past have succeed in getting other games (one of them an rpg rape simulator) taken off of game stores.
This recent story they convinced payment processors to pressure steam into removing most of their adult games as well as some other site that I guess has even more adult games.
IMO if a platform decides they don't want to host adult content, that is their prerogative. The people conflating this to "art destruction" or "censorship" are just another flavour of people who misunderstand what free speech is and isn't.
It's called "extortion." The X makes it sound sexy.
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An action group of Karens who in the past have succeed in getting other games (one of them an rpg rape simulator) taken off of game stores.
This recent story they convinced payment processors to pressure steam into removing most of their adult games as well as some other site that I guess has even more adult games.
IMO if a platform decides they don't want to host adult content, that is their prerogative. The people conflating this to "art destruction" or "censorship" are just another flavour of people who misunderstand what free speech is and isn't.
Sounds like they need to get laid.
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Free market baby. If VISA decides it will lose money processing payments for hentai games it's their prerogative to not process them.
I'd wager you have crypto wallet if you the kind of person who cares about hentai games. Go support the developer directly if it matters so much.
Hentai games are not going to make the 98% of people who don't play them care about Payment Oligopolies, which is the closet thing to moral cause here.
Nothing wrong with hentai but getting worked up over it is a red flag.
Why is it a red flag if there's nothing wrong with it?
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What does Jesus need with my credit card information?
jim you dont ask the Almighty for his security numbers
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Couldn't people just by steam cards with cash, load load it to their accounts and then make their porn purchases? What's to stop other retailers from selling gift cards that can be purchased with cash to use on the pornographic stuff being sold? Edit: I just learned this issue stems from the major CC companies refusing to let companies like steam use their platform to process payments if they kept NSFW games up. My question still stands, what's keeping steam or the player base from telling these companies to f-off and switch to a cash based gift card method?
Gift cards only function because of payment processors basically.
If visa and MasterCard decide they won't support steam means you also can't buy steam gift cards with your debit card suddenly it requires cash.
Stores will get pressured to no longer stock those giftcard or also lose visa/MasterCard support. This has been threatened before and has caused gift cards to be removed from major grocery stores in the us in the past.
You CANT avoid this even swapping to crypto has the same problem. At some point you HAVE to deal with the payment processors.
Even just getting your crypto back out into cash can quickly become problematic for a business.
We the people have options and ways around it sure, but businesses really don't.
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It already does deliver on that promise, crypto is used extensively online for drug orders. You may think that's bad, but it shows how well it works for secure and restriction less transactions.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Crypto is great for peer 2 peer money transfers. But when you have a legal big business you end up still having to deal with the big payment processors to do anything of substance with that crypto.
So for illegal and underground stuff it's great.
For big businesses that need to stay above board and legal. It becomes a dead end.
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Americans are being puritanical, and US payment companies are making steam and other game platforms remove nsfw content or they'll block their payment services from them or something.
And somehow they decided it's better to make this an issue for everyone, not just the people who use those payment services
It's Australia not America that's doing this.
