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  • F [email protected]

    Do I need to remind everyone

    Judging by the number of downvotes your getting: yes.

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    I guess this kind of stuff will be news to them also: https://www.vice.com/en/article/irans-courts-are-still-blaming-rape-victims-for-their-attacks/

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    • M [email protected]

      I imagine Xi would if he thought he could take over Russia. It should be obvious China does not respect other nations' boundaries or sovreignty. If Russia shows it's that much weaker than China after the Ukraine BS, I would not put it past Xi.

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      Even if they could, they wouldn't get the resources as cheaply as theyre getting them now. Also China has recall elections, if Xi went mad and unilaterally decided to go to war with a country so important to Chinas economy, he'd be booted so fast.

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      • F [email protected]

        I dont see the potential for global conflict.

        Israel and Iran have been trading blows for decades now. Some direct, many indirect. It's a regional conflict, and regional it will remain.

        Every now and then, Israel acts to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power – and honestly, we're all the better for it, the world does not need another set of religious crazies to have nukes.

        (That being said, is Netanyahu a deplorable asshat? Absolutely yes – but for different reasons)

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        Every now and then, Israel acts to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power – and honestly, we’re all the better for it, the world does not need another set of religious crazies to have nukes.

        At this point, I would be fine with Iran having the bomb. I really don't see any evidence that they would behave more recklessly with it than Israel does.

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        • B [email protected]

          Germans when they realise WW2 was caused by an man from Austria

          Germans when they realise WW1 was caused by the assassination of the archduke of Austria and the subsequent declaration of war from Austria-Hungary on Serbia.

          You could say Austria is responsible, but Hitler was in Germany, so WW2 is kinda our problem…

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          Clearly, this is all Austria's fault. To punish Austria, Germany needs to invade and annex it....

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          • W [email protected]

            Every now and then, Israel acts to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power – and honestly, we’re all the better for it, the world does not need another set of religious crazies to have nukes.

            At this point, I would be fine with Iran having the bomb. I really don't see any evidence that they would behave more recklessly with it than Israel does.

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            cue Oprah

            YOU GET THE BOMB, YOU GET THE BOMB, YOU GET THE BOMB, EVERYONE GETS THE BOMB!


            Them not behaving more recklessly than Israel is unfortunately not a high bar; which given their past actions I'm not sure they'd pass. I'd like to err on the side of caution here.

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            • W [email protected]

              Not every jew is a zionist. Don't conflate the two. Israel does not have a right to exist, and jews do.

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              You want to force Jews into the diaspora again? Brilliant move, that worked so well for them the first time around. /s

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                Last time, germany at least had the guts to spearhead the reich. This time they're just a bootlicker, following their imperialist friends.

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                • V [email protected]

                  Fuck Iran. Their government is way worse than Israel's. Do I need to remind everyone that they're feeding Russia with the drones that they use to attack civilians in Ukraine?

                  Here's hoping that Iran's next revolution won't end up in a total disaster like the previous one did.

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                  As much as you hate Russia's actions in Ukraine, Israel is literally committing a genocide, how can you say that's not worse than giving drones to Russia?

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                  • F [email protected]

                    I think Germany stopped invading Poland and killing Jews in gas chambers. So I'd say Germany changed at least a little bit.

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                    Germany happily joined the bombing of Libya and Yugoslavia, and the invasion of Iraq. Just because now it's brown people dying, it doesn't make it better.

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                    • P [email protected]

                      What is meant by "complete failure of Europe"?

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                      Probably the endless degradation of worker rights, welfare state, salaries and infrastructure since 2008, coupled with the rise of the far right?

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                      • T [email protected]

                        To be fair to the Germans, I can understand how the Holocaust is integrated into them as a kind of "original sin". What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself.

                        The problem is that "nothing of the sort" has translated into "opposing Jews in any way". It seems to me like Germany sees itself as bound to support Jews (and thereby the Jewish state Israel) no matter what in order to "atone for their sins", and I can understand that. However, right now, Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we've seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust. It's very hard for Germany to oppose Israel without tickling a part of their history that they've done a laudable job at condemning.

                        What Germany needs now, is to separate their history from their current politics. I understand that it's difficult, and I don't have an answer to how it should be done, but it needs to happen, lest the same crimes are committed again.

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                        What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself

                        Nazi Germany also murdered more than 10 million Russians, both civilians and soldiers, and had a literal genocidal plan against slavic peoples (Generalplan Ost), and yet they don't support the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Almost as if the whole "holocaust shame" thing was a myth, and it was used to manufacture consent towards Israel's genocide of Palestinians.

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                        • lumidaub@feddit.orgL [email protected]

                          Yes, hi, you may not know of us, understandably - we like to keep to ourselves and not meddle in the affairs of others, ever since... The Incidents.

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                          we like to keep to ourselves and not meddle in the affairs of others

                          Tell that to Yugoslavia, Libya or Iraq

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                          • F [email protected]

                            You want to force Jews into the diaspora again? Brilliant move, that worked so well for them the first time around. /s

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                            You want to force Jews into the diaspora again?

                            So, the only alternative to diaspora is an apartheid ethnostate in occupied land?

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                            • F [email protected]

                              I dont see the potential for global conflict.

                              Israel and Iran have been trading blows for decades now. Some direct, many indirect. It's a regional conflict, and regional it will remain.

                              Every now and then, Israel acts to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power – and honestly, we're all the better for it, the world does not need another set of religious crazies to have nukes.

                              (That being said, is Netanyahu a deplorable asshat? Absolutely yes – but for different reasons)

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                              "have been trading blows for decades now. Some direct, many indirect. It’s a regional conflict, and regional it will remain."

                              Lol, this sounds like a quote from someone in 1914 being catastrophicly wrong.

                              Every now and then, Israel acts to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power – and honestly, we’re all the better for it, the world does not need another set of religious crazies to have nukes.

                              But apparently we do need religious crazies who already have nukes, are in the middle of a massive genocide, are attacking and occupying multiple other countries, and have ambitions of conquering the whole middle east, to act as World Police?

                              You're literally endorsing war crimes.

                              Netanyahu a deplorable asshat

                              By "deplorable asshat", you mean the fascist leader of a genocidal ethnostate currently launching multiple wars of aggression.

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                                Not directly, but the government supported getting there.

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                                • F [email protected]

                                  cue Oprah

                                  YOU GET THE BOMB, YOU GET THE BOMB, YOU GET THE BOMB, EVERYONE GETS THE BOMB!


                                  Them not behaving more recklessly than Israel is unfortunately not a high bar; which given their past actions I'm not sure they'd pass. I'd like to err on the side of caution here.

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                                  Iran has a right to self defense. Them getting the bomb is the side of caution here. Otherwise they will keep being attacked by Israel and it's allies

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                                  • W [email protected]

                                    Well if they didn't genocide all those millions of innocent Jews 80 years ago, western countries wouldn't accept the invasion and genocide in Palestine over the last decades

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                                    Palestine population has been increasing over the last decades. ⅔ of European Jews died in the Holocaust. Comparing very different tragedies here.

                                    https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/

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                                    • A [email protected]

                                      As much as you hate Russia's actions in Ukraine, Israel is literally committing a genocide, how can you say that's not worse than giving drones to Russia?

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                                      Not "literally". Ireland is trying to expand the definition in the ICJ to make it so though.

                                      Ireland will not be asserting if genocide is being committed, but asserting its interpretation of the Genocide Convention.

                                      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce48wpd08pgo

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                                      • S [email protected]

                                        Not "literally". Ireland is trying to expand the definition in the ICJ to make it so though.

                                        Ireland will not be asserting if genocide is being committed, but asserting its interpretation of the Genocide Convention.

                                        https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce48wpd08pgo

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                                        I don't abide by ICJ rulings, I abide by credible reporting and evidence. Compare the civilian deaths ratio in the Ukraine invasion (however bad they may be) to the one in Palestine

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                                        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

                                          Their government is way worse than Israel’s.

                                          So why bomb Iranian civilians?

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                                          Iranian citizens are not being targeted whereas Iran (and previously Hezbollah) bombed at least one Israeli town where there are no military.

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