I feel so relieved!
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What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself
Nazi Germany also murdered more than 10 million Russians, both civilians and soldiers, and had a literal genocidal plan against slavic peoples (Generalplan Ost), and yet they don't support the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Almost as if the whole "holocaust shame" thing was a myth, and it was used to manufacture consent towards Israel's genocide of Palestinians.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]As mentioned in one of my other comments: Yes, the Holocaust targeted other groups than Jews (Slavs, Romani, Gays, etc.). However, in learning about the Holocaust, there is usually a strong focus on Jews. In short, most people learn a lot about how Jews were targeted, and a lot of memorials and media focus on Jewish prosecution by the nazis.
At the same time, Russia has been built up as an adversary since the beginning of the Cold War, and committed plenty of their own atrocities before, during, and after WWII. The same cannot be said about Romani, Gays, Jews, or other groups targeted during the Holocaust.
With all this in mind, it's not very hard to understand why "Holocaust guilt" is centered on Jews more than other groups, and why Russians are largely exempt from the feeling altogether. I'm not saying that's fair or right, I'm saying it's very understandable.
On the other hand: I really don't see any motive from Germanys side to support genocide on Palestinians. So my argument is essentially trying to understand why Germany would support Isreal despite <waves at Israel in general>. The only good explanation I've found is centred on "Holocaust guilt", and the way it's been portrayed and conveyed the past eighty years.
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I don't abide by ICJ rulings, I abide by credible reporting and evidence. Compare the civilian deaths ratio in the Ukraine invasion (however bad they may be) to the one in Palestine
Am just pointing out the legal definition of the word regardless of whether courts are just
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Am just pointing out the legal definition of the word regardless of whether courts are just
Yeah but according to the current legal definition, looking at the evidence, I can confidently claim it's a genocide
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As mentioned in one of my other comments: Yes, the Holocaust targeted other groups than Jews (Slavs, Romani, Gays, etc.). However, in learning about the Holocaust, there is usually a strong focus on Jews. In short, most people learn a lot about how Jews were targeted, and a lot of memorials and media focus on Jewish prosecution by the nazis.
At the same time, Russia has been built up as an adversary since the beginning of the Cold War, and committed plenty of their own atrocities before, during, and after WWII. The same cannot be said about Romani, Gays, Jews, or other groups targeted during the Holocaust.
With all this in mind, it's not very hard to understand why "Holocaust guilt" is centered on Jews more than other groups, and why Russians are largely exempt from the feeling altogether. I'm not saying that's fair or right, I'm saying it's very understandable.
On the other hand: I really don't see any motive from Germanys side to support genocide on Palestinians. So my argument is essentially trying to understand why Germany would support Isreal despite <waves at Israel in general>. The only good explanation I've found is centred on "Holocaust guilt", and the way it's been portrayed and conveyed the past eighty years.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I understand your explanation, I just think it's more believable that holocaust remembrance is most often focused on those who stand on the side of NATO
trying to understand why Germany would support Isreal despite <waves at Israel in general>
The overwhelming media directive of being pro-pissrael is in my opinion the more likely reason
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I don't abide by ICJ rulings, I abide by credible reporting and evidence. Compare the civilian deaths ratio in the Ukraine invasion (however bad they may be) to the one in Palestine
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yes a higher civilian death ratio in Gaza but the Ukraine military are not in civilian areas.
Admittedly Russia actually targets civilians but it is with long range missiles and drones, most of which get intercepted.
That article says Ireland is also trying to expand the definition of genocide to include Ukrainian deaths. I don't know why it does not fit the definition currently; perhaps because Russia are not trying to wipe out the Ukrainian population? I dunno. Get back to us if you find out.
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Yeah but according to the current legal definition, looking at the evidence, I can confidently claim it's a genocide
wrote on last edited by [email protected]No, not according to the current definition. That is why Ireland is trying to change it. Words change all the time so it is possible.
That would equate Gaza and Ukraine with the Holocaust, Rwanda, Cambodia, the nature and magnitude of which were very different. Perhaps they could create a new word for those?
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Israel is not only at the very center of the world (look at maps: it's very much the geographic center. That's why we call it middle east.)
it's also reckless and like a dying star, a supernova. it blows up without regards to casualties. it is a very dangerous situation that we're in indeed.
geographic center
Just shows where you buy your maps.
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Death to Genocidesmany for its support of the apartheid regime in west palestine.
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geographic center
Just shows where you buy your maps.
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i guess most western maps are arranged in such a way that the middle east is in the center and the atlantic is on the map completely because
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the atlantic has probably been more important historically than the pacific, as europeans sailed over the atlantic, not the pacific.
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the pacific ocean is a bigger body of water, so having it on the "back" side of the globe makes sense because this way, you have a more uninteresting back-side of the globe and a more interesting front-side.
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I dont see the potential for global conflict.
Israel and Iran have been trading blows for decades now. Some direct, many indirect. It's a regional conflict, and regional it will remain.
Every now and then, Israel acts to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power – and honestly, we're all the better for it, the world does not need another set of religious crazies to have nukes.
(That being said, is Netanyahu a deplorable asshat? Absolutely yes – but for different reasons)
Oh yeah, so glad Israel is standing up for the world with its religious insanity and genocide.
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Also, the State of Israel was created right after, and as a direct response, to WWII.
No it wasn't, settlers had been moving into palestine since the late 1800s. The zionists utilised the persecutions of jews in europe to get bodies to staff the frontier sure, but that had also been an established MO since Herzl. The creation of Israel coincides more with the US taking charge of europes colonies and settler projects. Which is why the Lehi and Irgun had to do the terror attacks on the UK in order to establish themselves as a country. They pledged their allegiance to the new white overlord and got rewarded with statehood for it.
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i guess most western maps are arranged in such a way that the middle east is in the center and the atlantic is on the map completely because
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the atlantic has probably been more important historically than the pacific, as europeans sailed over the atlantic, not the pacific.
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the pacific ocean is a bigger body of water, so having it on the "back" side of the globe makes sense because this way, you have a more uninteresting back-side of the globe and a more interesting front-side.
No, they are not. I really suggest you look at an European map. Algeria/Mali are in the center of the map, depending on how much Antarctica is included.
Maps are normally centered roughly around the region you buy them in. European maps are centered on the 0 meridian, because it fits so nicely while keeping the European countries around the center. The 0 meridian was just defined by the Brits as going through Greenwich.
The bottom is cut of more, because Antarctica is less interesting than Canada, Greenland and Siberia.
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we like to keep to ourselves and not meddle in the affairs of others
Tell that to Yugoslavia, Libya or Iraq
How about the entirety of the EU? That's the joke.
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Clearly, this is all Austria's fault. To punish Austria, Germany needs to invade and annex it....
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I know you're being sarcastic. Although I tried to say that WW2 is "our" fault (Germany caused it). But as I read my last sentence again, I do see it's weirdly written.
Anyway, I am just frustrated that we (Germans) are apologizing forever, paying other countries huge amounts of money, etc. Yes, it was very very bad what happened during that time, but we weren't the only ones doing bad shit! The "great and free" land of the fucking USA is (TO THIS DAY) the ONLY state, that has ever dropped a nuclear weapon on another country. Or have they apologized to Vietnam? To the hundreds (if not thousands) of victims to the crimes of the CIA? Have they apologized for Project MKUltra? Or the Tuskegee Syphilis Study? I could go on, but it's already a pretty good list... Now, did the US do anything to apologize, pay compensation or anything? NO! They tried to hide it. Just like communists in China or Russia or the former USSR. And whose the biggest enemy of the US? THE FUCKING COMMUNISTS! (I am not a communist by the way, I just wanted to point out the irony.) Furthermore: China, Russia, USSR, etc. have been spying their people. Guess who is spying (not only US Citizens): the motherfucking NSA! Like with the Intel ME ( Great Video from Mental Outlaw btw ). Or EternalBlue, which the NSA exploited for years and not telling Microsoft to fix it...
Sorry, this hatred has been building up in me the last several months. But I am not hating the citizens, they (systematically) don't receive education, it's not their fault.
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geographic center
Just shows where you buy your maps.
New Guinea is in the center.
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Germany happily joined the bombing of Libya and Yugoslavia, and the invasion of Iraq. Just because now it's brown people dying, it doesn't make it better.
Don't quite remember Germany being in Iraq or Lybia lately. Also, while being a bit rusty on my history, wasn't the military involvement in Yugoslavia to stop the genocide on the local Muslim, or, as you call them, brown, population?
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you think WW3 is starting because of Israel? Can I also get under the rock your been living under, must be nice there.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]They only threatening to nuke the planet. No biggie! \s
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I dont see the potential for global conflict.
Israel and Iran have been trading blows for decades now. Some direct, many indirect. It's a regional conflict, and regional it will remain.
Every now and then, Israel acts to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power – and honestly, we're all the better for it, the world does not need another set of religious crazies to have nukes.
(That being said, is Netanyahu a deplorable asshat? Absolutely yes – but for different reasons)
wrote on last edited by [email protected]religious crazies to have nukes.
So what are you doing to disarm the zio cult?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
It’s a regional conflict,
Try reading a book sometime jfc.
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cue Oprah
YOU GET THE BOMB, YOU GET THE BOMB, YOU GET THE BOMB, EVERYONE GETS THE BOMB!
Them not behaving more recklessly than Israel is unfortunately not a high bar; which given their past actions I'm not sure they'd pass. I'd like to err on the side of caution here.
What "past actions"? Being constantly attacked and threatened by empire and a genocidal cult?
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Apparently germany is delusional and genocidal as usual.
