"Unless their home countries sign defense packs", which I kinda expect the UK and Turkey to sign.
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"Unless their home countries sign defense packs", which I kinda expect the UK and Turkey to sign.
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"Unless their home countries sign defense packs", which I kinda expect the UK and Turkey to sign.
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"Unless their home countries sign defense packs", which I kinda expect the UK and Turkey to sign.
Not happening with the UK until fishing rights and 18-30 youth mobility visas are on the table. It's nuts that things are this way, the EU needs the UK massively.
The EU has a short memory of who defends Europe. The UK trained Ukraine and provide NLAWs to stave off attack, while Germany gave helmets and Macron was playing mediator.
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Not happening with the UK until fishing rights and 18-30 youth mobility visas are on the table. It's nuts that things are this way, the EU needs the UK massively.
The EU has a short memory of who defends Europe. The UK trained Ukraine and provide NLAWs to stave off attack, while Germany gave helmets and Macron was playing mediator.
I don't know why the Brexiteers are pumping this narrative again.
No, I don't for one minute believe that Macron would jeopardize European security just for fishing rights. There is no way that Poland, Germany and the Netherlands would accept that.
I do believe that the politicians are working on a slightly grander deal that will restore trade between the UK and EU. Such a deal could be defended on both sides against critics as "a necessary compromise to secure Europe".
And Labour will benefit from the economic growth, which they hope will let them keep a majority next elections.
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I don't know why the Brexiteers are pumping this narrative again.
No, I don't for one minute believe that Macron would jeopardize European security just for fishing rights. There is no way that Poland, Germany and the Netherlands would accept that.
I do believe that the politicians are working on a slightly grander deal that will restore trade between the UK and EU. Such a deal could be defended on both sides against critics as "a necessary compromise to secure Europe".
And Labour will benefit from the economic growth, which they hope will let them keep a majority next elections.
I hope so. Time will tell.
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I don't know why the Brexiteers are pumping this narrative again.
No, I don't for one minute believe that Macron would jeopardize European security just for fishing rights. There is no way that Poland, Germany and the Netherlands would accept that.
I do believe that the politicians are working on a slightly grander deal that will restore trade between the UK and EU. Such a deal could be defended on both sides against critics as "a necessary compromise to secure Europe".
And Labour will benefit from the economic growth, which they hope will let them keep a majority next elections.
I do not think that there will be a trade pact between UK and EU if the UK will not accept the requirements of the EU. The EU is stronger and has all cards compared to the UK. The anti EU country Switzerland had to accept the EU requirements for Schengen. Switzerland did not comply to the requirements and the EU did not back up. The result is that you cannot buy swiss stocks in European stock exchanges.
I translated it via DeepL
The focus here is on the enforcement of EU internal market law in Switzerland. Switzerland, in turn, is blocking or delaying agreed measures because it fears distortions of competition. Negotiations between the European Union and Switzerland on a corresponding framework agreement began back in 2014. In the meantime, the EU had increased the pressure on Switzerland by wanting to devalue the Swiss stock exchange.
As Switzerland did not react, Switzerland lost its stock market equivalence in June 2019. In concrete terms, this means that Switzerland has been valued as a stock market country like Malaysia, for example, for over five years. After attempts to conclude a framework agreement between the EU and Switzerland also failed in 2021, negotiations were resumed in spring 2024 - so far without success.
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Not happening with the UK until fishing rights and 18-30 youth mobility visas are on the table. It's nuts that things are this way, the EU needs the UK massively.
The EU has a short memory of who defends Europe. The UK trained Ukraine and provide NLAWs to stave off attack, while Germany gave helmets and Macron was playing mediator.
Which weak mod removed my comment due to "misinformation"? Way to silence discourse.
Published Jan 29 2025
Sir Keir Starmer’s plan to agree a security pact with the EU is being blocked by French and other member states’ demands over fishing rights and a youth mobility scheme, complicating hopes of an early win in “reset” talks with Brussels.https://www.ft.com/content/3fb38bd6-c1a3-4ba7-80d7-290d4bea06fb
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Which weak mod removed my comment due to "misinformation"? Way to silence discourse.
Published Jan 29 2025
Sir Keir Starmer’s plan to agree a security pact with the EU is being blocked by French and other member states’ demands over fishing rights and a youth mobility scheme, complicating hopes of an early win in “reset” talks with Brussels.https://www.ft.com/content/3fb38bd6-c1a3-4ba7-80d7-290d4bea06fb
As the mod who removed the comment. This was your old comment ...
Not happening with the UK until fishing rights and 18-30 youth mobility visas are on the table.
Granted, I missed that news item. However, you'll probably notice too that there are simply different negotiation tactics at play. No? As alvvayson says -- why would EU members want to compromise their own security?
The UK trained Ukraine and provide NLAWs to stave off attack, while Germany gave helmets and Macron was playing mediator.
Germany's initial responses (first, "we'll provide humanitarian aid only" and next, "we'll provide 5000 helmets") weren't adequate, true. However, that was rectified quite quickly, iirc, foreign minister Baerbock took about a week; but even chancelor Olaf Scholz's "Zeitenwende" SotU-type address, which acknowledged the need for extensive military aid, was only a month after the war had started. Military aid has continuously been expanded since then, granted against a reluctant chancelor.
Similarly, France has also provided military aid, while, yes, initially trying to set up peace talks. But their role has also shifted. Though France still delivers much less material than e.g. Germany, I do appreciate Macron's verbal brinksmanship (seriously!).
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As the mod who removed the comment. This was your old comment ...
Not happening with the UK until fishing rights and 18-30 youth mobility visas are on the table.
Granted, I missed that news item. However, you'll probably notice too that there are simply different negotiation tactics at play. No? As alvvayson says -- why would EU members want to compromise their own security?
The UK trained Ukraine and provide NLAWs to stave off attack, while Germany gave helmets and Macron was playing mediator.
Germany's initial responses (first, "we'll provide humanitarian aid only" and next, "we'll provide 5000 helmets") weren't adequate, true. However, that was rectified quite quickly, iirc, foreign minister Baerbock took about a week; but even chancelor Olaf Scholz's "Zeitenwende" SotU-type address, which acknowledged the need for extensive military aid, was only a month after the war had started. Military aid has continuously been expanded since then, granted against a reluctant chancelor.
Similarly, France has also provided military aid, while, yes, initially trying to set up peace talks. But their role has also shifted. Though France still delivers much less material than e.g. Germany, I do appreciate Macron's verbal brinksmanship (seriously!).
Is this your way of saying, "sorry, I was wrong, you wrote nothing that can actually be classed as misinformation"?
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Is this your way of saying, "sorry, I was wrong, you wrote nothing that can actually be classed as misinformation"?
Not exactly. At the very least you offered misleading interpretations of events.
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Not exactly. At the very least you offered misleading interpretations of events.
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In light of https://lemmy.world/post/27374477, I have restored your comment. Still not happy with the second part of it.
Sorry.
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