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So they admit that they just straight up violated suicide watch rules?

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    So they admit that they just straight up violated suicide watch rules?

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      So they admit that they just straight up violated suicide watch rules?

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      and that they've been hiding evidence

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        So they admit that they just straight up violated suicide watch rules?

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        This really doesn't help the FBI's case at all.

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          So they admit that they just straight up violated suicide watch rules?

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          This is unfortunately very common even in hospitals. Busy (or lazy) staff just check off their rounds without actually seeing patients all the time, so I think this is 100% plausible in a jail.

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            So they admit that they just straight up violated suicide watch rules?

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            Yep, people jumping to conspiracy theories when the real lesson to be learned is "the US does not give a single fuck about the safety of prisoners."

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              Yep, people jumping to conspiracy theories when the real lesson to be learned is "the US does not give a single fuck about the safety of prisoners."

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              I can vouch for this.

              Source: I was a federal prisoner during COVID.

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                So they admit that they just straight up violated suicide watch rules?

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                I watched this Vince Vintage video a while back where he goes into just how terribly run the prison was. It has a max capacity of 480 inmates but was at 750 at the time of Epstein's arrival with only 18 guards for the whole prison.

                The two guards watching the entire block were working a 16 hour double shift, and they were caught on camera sleeping. There's a lot of other odd things that Vance goes over

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                  This is unfortunately very common even in hospitals. Busy (or lazy) staff just check off their rounds without actually seeing patients all the time, so I think this is 100% plausible in a jail.

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                  And this is why hospitals (and secure facilities) have physical locations that the employees have to touch.

                  The old method for security guards was a key, which fit into locks embedded in the walls around the building. The locks actually feed to time meters; When the guard turns their key, it marks the current time. More modern systems use wands or badges, which scan into little infrared or RFID scanners. The guard just scans them as they walk past. So management can check the timestamps and know that security actually made their rounds; If a guard is slacking, there won’t be any timestamps when they should have been making their rounds.

                  And hospitals have started implementing similar things with nurses and support staff. Hand washing stations that require a badge scan, and detect how long the sink ran, and if soap was dispensed. If a nurse isn’t washing their hands, it’s pretty obvious by looking at their badge scans. Bedside charts that require badge scans and info from the connected equipment (like the thermometer, blood pressure cuff, etc) in the hospital room, so they can’t just mark it as done from the nurses station; They need to physically go into each room, scan their badge, and take readings before it will be marked as done.

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                  • the_picard_maneuver@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                    This is unfortunately very common even in hospitals. Busy (or lazy) staff just check off their rounds without actually seeing patients all the time, so I think this is 100% plausible in a jail.

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                    This is absolutely not common for suicide watch in hospitals. A nurse or aide is assigned to sit in the room with them at all times. They literally can't leave to use the bathroom without being replaced.

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                      This is absolutely not common for suicide watch in hospitals. A nurse or aide is assigned to sit in the room with them at all times. They literally can't leave to use the bathroom without being replaced.

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                      I should clarify that I meant safety rounding at intervals, like was the case with Epstein. He was on Q30 rounds, which were the ones falsified. It would've been basically impossible to falsify a true 1-to-1.

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                      • the_picard_maneuver@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                        This is unfortunately very common even in hospitals. Busy (or lazy) staff just check off their rounds without actually seeing patients all the time, so I think this is 100% plausible in a jail.

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                        I’m not sure you remember the climate around Epstein at the time. The whole world was talking about him. You can’t just oops I forgot to check on him.

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                          I’m not sure you remember the climate around Epstein at the time. The whole world was talking about him. You can’t just oops I forgot to check on him.

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                          It's what happened right? No guards checked on him?

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                            It's what happened right? No guards checked on him?

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                            @wildcardology Sadly par for the course in many prisons. This particular one was already notorious for being crappy that way. Things like failed equipment and bad workers shouldn't surprise anyone for a society with the highest incarceration rate in the world. We're just kind of a shitty country when it comes to locking people up.

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                              It's what happened right? No guards checked on him?

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                              I I can’t tell if you’re a gaslighting bot or just intentionally being dismissive. Pretending like this was some run of the mill situation is insane. This guy has just gone down for crimes that implicated lots of very powerful people. Everyone all over the world was watching the case very closely. At the time people were actively expecting him to get assassinated at any moment.

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                                And this is why hospitals (and secure facilities) have physical locations that the employees have to touch.

                                The old method for security guards was a key, which fit into locks embedded in the walls around the building. The locks actually feed to time meters; When the guard turns their key, it marks the current time. More modern systems use wands or badges, which scan into little infrared or RFID scanners. The guard just scans them as they walk past. So management can check the timestamps and know that security actually made their rounds; If a guard is slacking, there won’t be any timestamps when they should have been making their rounds.

                                And hospitals have started implementing similar things with nurses and support staff. Hand washing stations that require a badge scan, and detect how long the sink ran, and if soap was dispensed. If a nurse isn’t washing their hands, it’s pretty obvious by looking at their badge scans. Bedside charts that require badge scans and info from the connected equipment (like the thermometer, blood pressure cuff, etc) in the hospital room, so they can’t just mark it as done from the nurses station; They need to physically go into each room, scan their badge, and take readings before it will be marked as done.

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                                I was in the hospital last year, and if they didn't have the cart with them, they'd always scan the thing holding my IV when they came to check on stuff. The staff were almost annoyingly always present, which is way better than other stays where I'd practically only see the staff that brought meals, or my IV machine beeped cause it was empty.

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                                  I I can’t tell if you’re a gaslighting bot or just intentionally being dismissive. Pretending like this was some run of the mill situation is insane. This guy has just gone down for crimes that implicated lots of very powerful people. Everyone all over the world was watching the case very closely. At the time people were actively expecting him to get assassinated at any moment.

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                                  They're not gaslighting though. No one checked on him when he supposedly killed himself. They didn't discover the body till 6:30am. No one had been to his tier since 10:30 the night before. That's 8 hours of no supervision, where they were supposed to check every half hour.

                                  The guards that were supposed to check on him every 30 minutes were reported to have been sleeping. The guards just never checked on him for 8 whole hours, where literally anything could have happened.

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                                    They're not gaslighting though. No one checked on him when he supposedly killed himself. They didn't discover the body till 6:30am. No one had been to his tier since 10:30 the night before. That's 8 hours of no supervision, where they were supposed to check every half hour.

                                    The guards that were supposed to check on him every 30 minutes were reported to have been sleeping. The guards just never checked on him for 8 whole hours, where literally anything could have happened.

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                                    The whole world anticipating he’s going to get taken out and the guards decide to leave a 8 hour window while they slept. And this doesn’t look ridiculous to you?

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                                      They're not gaslighting though. No one checked on him when he supposedly killed himself. They didn't discover the body till 6:30am. No one had been to his tier since 10:30 the night before. That's 8 hours of no supervision, where they were supposed to check every half hour.

                                      The guards that were supposed to check on him every 30 minutes were reported to have been sleeping. The guards just never checked on him for 8 whole hours, where literally anything could have happened.

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                                      That's the point. That shouldn't have happened, and this case is way too high profile for it to have happened organically. If nobody checked on him, there has to have been a reason for it.

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                                        The whole world anticipating he’s going to get taken out and the guards decide to leave a 8 hour window while they slept. And this doesn’t look ridiculous to you?

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                                        Of course it's fucking ridiculous. But it's exactly what happened. He was left alone, unsupervised, for 8 hours.

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                                          That's the point. That shouldn't have happened, and this case is way too high profile for it to have happened organically. If nobody checked on him, there has to have been a reason for it.

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                                          Correct, it shouldn't have happened, but it did. Everything, literally every part of his death, screams something shady happened.

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