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Around the World, Many People Are Leaving Their Childhood Religions.

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    That is weird to me because Jesus repeatedly condemned the rich. He even violently kicked them out of temples by whipping them and flipping tables. Jesus even said the wealthy will never enter into heaven. Jesus was essentially a proto-communist

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    Many Christians have never read the Bible. They hear about eternal salvation so long as you dunk in some water and say you're sorry and they're sold. If they even consciously think about it in the first place.

    Christianity is just another one of Plato's caves

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      “Money Religion is the root of all evil.”

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      I think a lot of the evil done in the name of Religion really boils down to money, land, and power. Religion is just a convenient vehicle to get those things.

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        There's a lot of Buddhist teachings I agree with but do we really need all the supernatural baggage to teach people to be less materialistic and to be kind to each other?

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        I've found Zen Buddhist koans, essentially short stories to be contemplated over, to be deeply calming and insightful.

        My favorite one is this.

        "A man was walking through the jungle, when he spotted a tiger. The man immediately fled, but the tiger gave chase. Approaching a cliff, the man saw only one option… A hanging vine. He jumped off of the cliff and grabbed the vine, hanging on for dear life.

        The tiger came to the edge of the cliff, snarling.

        Just as the man thought he was in the clear, he noticed another tiger prowling below.

        And then, if things weren’t difficult enough, the man then saw two mice above him (one black, one white) gnawing away at the vine.

        In this state of impending doom, the man looked over his shoulder to the sight of a strawberry patch on a ledge, at arm’s length.

        The man reached over, plucked a strawberry and ate it. It was the best damn strawberry he ever had."

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          Its a problem with all of them. How can any christians be non pacifist when direct from christs mouth was the very direct command:

          "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain."

          I have had discussion and its ludicrous the other parts they engage in mental gymnastics to work around it. Its the same with the 4 noble truths and the 8 fold way. Its pretty obvious its about looking inward and delving into anyone elses life except to help them would be feeding into desire. Sihks have this whole thing about goofy practices of other religions and then have their own goofy practices. No idea how jainism gets corrupted or other faiths off the top of my head but im sure they are there.

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          Because you don't have to be a good person at all to get into heaven. Just repent. Simple.

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            Most people are not good without religion, they are good because of civilization. If society breaks down, everyone is going to get real mean, real quick.

            The most evil people in Nazi Germany were generally anti-religious.

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            I don't know if evil is the right word. However, most people are self serving and will do "evil" things to enrich themselves. Whether that makes them evil is up for debate. As far as I can see, it's a matter of human nature following the rules of game theory.

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              Religion is for three kinds of people:

              Fools

              Liars

              Disobedient children with fools or liars as parents

              Tolerance of religion is a paradox as every religion is intolerant of other religions.

              Yes Buddhism too.

              Respect is earned. Trust is earned.

              Religion deserves neither.

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                It doesn't necessarily mean they become atheists; some switch religions. While in the West religion is in overall decline, in the global south, Christian evangelicals are on the rise. This is especially the case in Brazil where Catholicism is on decline but evangelicals are growing.

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                  You only see two types of people who believe in religon:

                  1- Bad people who abuse it for evil to benefit in life: Such political indoctrination and control, pedo cults, Israel zionists, ISIS Islamsits ..etc.

                  2- Oppressed and poor people who use it as a coping and hope mechanim for the afterlife: This applies globally across all religons and continents from South America to East Asia.

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                    Religion has nothing to do with God, even if you believed God exists, then since God is omnipresent you can have a relationship with God from anywhere. Why would you need to gather with a group of people and have middle men priest who claim to speak on behalf of God. Religions are about power, control, elitism and us vs them tribalism. If there was a god, he'd be disgusted by the barbaric things done by religious people in his name.

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                      I can’t find any sources for this now, but a while back I read an article that basically said in the 1500s (roughly) people were starting to turn against the rich holding the bulk of the wealth. So the rich met up with some priests over a tankard of mead and came up with the idea that the church should say the rich deserved their wealth.

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                      The Marquis de Condorcet wrote about the evils of Christianity back in the 1790s.

                      He wrote about how it was a tool of oppression, not just of the person, but of the mind and spirit.

                      And nothing has changed in the last 200 years.

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                        I think a lot of the evil done in the name of Religion really boils down to money, land, and power. Religion is just a convenient vehicle to get those things.

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                        It is the mechanism by which you get normal people to fund and promote horrible acts. How else could you get your grandmother to pay for hiding pedophiles from the law?

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                          It is the mechanism by which you get normal people to fund and promote horrible acts. How else could you get your grandmother to pay for hiding pedophiles from the law?

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                          Money, threats of violence, grandma could be related to them, grandma could be a pedo herself... Just to name a few.

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                            No you're wrong, Religion is the only true moral in this world (I am not being held at gunpoint).

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                              Religion is for three kinds of people:

                              Fools

                              Liars

                              Disobedient children with fools or liars as parents

                              Tolerance of religion is a paradox as every religion is intolerant of other religions.

                              Yes Buddhism too.

                              Respect is earned. Trust is earned.

                              Religion deserves neither.

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                              Not every religion is intolerant of other religions.

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                                The idea of childhood religion seems so foreign

                                Were kids in other countries not thought of as gay if they were Christian?

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                                  Not every religion is intolerant of other religions.

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                                  Greetings fellow lemming I’m new here and hope we can have a productive discussion.

                                  Please allow me to elucidate my perspective on this question: are all religions intolerant?

                                  I say yes, let me explain.

                                  Many have told me about “their god” and I take their word for it. I believe everything everyone has told me about “their god”. Powerful, all knowing, usually vindictive, often horny for human girls, etc.

                                  Resultantly I believe in all of “their gods”.

                                  And I drew a conclusion about that guy.

                                  I think “god” is a piece of shit unworthy of praise and we should seek to destroy and erase it. Those who worship it are dangerous and not to be trusted. At best they need psychiatric care, likely many of them should be incarcerated. The link between “piety” and “skeletons in the closet” is strong.

                                  I hate god and have no respect for god-fearing people and no tolerance for their “beliefs”

                                  Which supernatural make-believe system (read: religion ) is tolerant of my supernatural make-believe system?

                                  Please don’t mistake my anger at religions as anger at you.

                                  Cheers mate

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                                    I can’t find any sources for this now, but a while back I read an article that basically said in the 1500s (roughly) people were starting to turn against the rich holding the bulk of the wealth. So the rich met up with some priests over a tankard of mead and came up with the idea that the church should say the rich deserved their wealth.

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                                    Well that might explain christianity but what about other religions like Hindu, buddhism etc.

                                    The idea of religion is different there and it's more of a way of life rather than believing in a supreme god.

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                                      Religion has nothing to do with God, even if you believed God exists, then since God is omnipresent you can have a relationship with God from anywhere. Why would you need to gather with a group of people and have middle men priest who claim to speak on behalf of God. Religions are about power, control, elitism and us vs them tribalism. If there was a god, he'd be disgusted by the barbaric things done by religious people in his name.

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                                      Religion is not necessarily the same as religious institutions. Christianity is quite an outlier with its heavy centralization in the case of Catholicism, but there is many denominations of Christianity that are not adhering to a centralized institution.

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                                        You only see two types of people who believe in religon:

                                        1- Bad people who abuse it for evil to benefit in life: Such political indoctrination and control, pedo cults, Israel zionists, ISIS Islamsits ..etc.

                                        2- Oppressed and poor people who use it as a coping and hope mechanim for the afterlife: This applies globally across all religons and continents from South America to East Asia.

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                                        Mixing bigotry against religious people with classism and a sprinkle of racism does not make it rational. There is plenty of religious people who are neither oppressed or poor, nor do they use their religion for oppression of other people.

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                                          That is weird to me because Jesus repeatedly condemned the rich. He even violently kicked them out of temples by whipping them and flipping tables. Jesus even said the wealthy will never enter into heaven. Jesus was essentially a proto-communist

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                                          Jesus also didn't proclaim himself to be the literal son of God, nor a part of God. That was invented by the churches some 300 years later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

                                          Both Judaism and Christianity had their scriptures altered over time, serving political goals of the scholar's class. This is why Islam puts such a strong focus preserving the Quran exactly as it was revealed.

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