US Government Gives Elon Musk Permission to Detonate Rockets Over a Sacred Hawaian Island
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a remote and uninhabited island located 400 miles from Honolulu
Mokumanamana sits at the boundary between "'pō,' the darkness, and 'au,' the light." When a Native Hawaiian dies, their soul travels up near Mokumanamana, and after meeting their ancestors there, they potentially get to advance into the great beyond with them in the dark waters west of the island.
okey-doke.
So, uninhabited (at this point means not viable for habitation) and it's a religious site that probably no one goes on a pilgrimage to? Fuckit.
edit: so the people using the downvote button as a disagree button:
What's the problem? If we are going to do this space shit we need places to drop the litter, what's wrong with this place? Is it just because it's Musk and Trump? I'm no fan of either but wouldn't it be better to have this SpaceX trash out in the Pacific instead of off the coast of South Texas where millions of US and Mexican citizens live?
Maybe the down votes are because not even 2 paragraphs from the one you quoted, they continue saying that they also have permission to drop debris all around the inhabitated islands.
Along with allowing Musk to rain schrapnel down near Mokumanamana, the FAA also granted SpaceX the ability to do so around Hawaii's eight main islands — which are populated with American citizens who may end up having their houses or property hit by debris — and portions of the Papahānaumokuākea marine national monument, a UNESCO world heritage site that's home to thousands of diverse species of animal and plant life.
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Maybe the down votes are because not even 2 paragraphs from the one you quoted, they continue saying that they also have permission to drop debris all around the inhabitated islands.
Along with allowing Musk to rain schrapnel down near Mokumanamana, the FAA also granted SpaceX the ability to do so around Hawaii's eight main islands — which are populated with American citizens who may end up having their houses or property hit by debris — and portions of the Papahānaumokuākea marine national monument, a UNESCO world heritage site that's home to thousands of diverse species of animal and plant life.
bbbut the historical site! They are dropping it over the Gulf of Mexico right now so why shouldn't we move the debris field? Is there really a bigger problem doing it here or is it because Hawaiians are just pissed off they will be the recipients now?
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So, uninhabited (at this point means not viable for habitation) and it’s a religious site that probably no one goes on a pilgrimage to? Fuckit.
Doesn't sound like you did a great deal of research.
lol no. I read this article.
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a remote and uninhabited island located 400 miles from Honolulu
Mokumanamana sits at the boundary between "'pō,' the darkness, and 'au,' the light." When a Native Hawaiian dies, their soul travels up near Mokumanamana, and after meeting their ancestors there, they potentially get to advance into the great beyond with them in the dark waters west of the island.
okey-doke.
So, uninhabited (at this point means not viable for habitation) and it's a religious site that probably no one goes on a pilgrimage to? Fuckit.
edit: so the people using the downvote button as a disagree button:
What's the problem? If we are going to do this space shit we need places to drop the litter, what's wrong with this place? Is it just because it's Musk and Trump? I'm no fan of either but wouldn't it be better to have this SpaceX trash out in the Pacific instead of off the coast of South Texas where millions of US and Mexican citizens live?
For what it's worth, I agree with you 100%. I'd love to see Musk fail in every one of his business endeavors, but if we're going to drop space garbage over the planet, an uninhabited island seems like a great place to do it. The fact that a small group of people has superstitious ideas about that small patch of land should be irrelevant.
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Cool, obscure religion over people.
Billionaire toys ≠ people
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Cool. America is trying to create more terrorists.
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Billionaire toys ≠ people
Well then shut the whole thing down.
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tramping religious rights of locals is fine, but don't you dare to touch christianity. Christian churches get tax exemptions etc. I'm an atheist but this is a glaring discriminatiin. You either disregard all religions or tiptoe around all of them there's nothing in between
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Nobody feels like having a debate about your militant atheism, hence downvotes without comments. Please don't see this as an invitation for said debate either. I don't care. You're either being intentionally edgy or willfully ignorant, neither of which are the base for a fruitful conversation.
militant atheism
WTF? The guy is a dick for sure but leave atheists out of it. This term is just the go-to term for extremist religious asshats
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Well then shut the whole thing down.
Ideally, yes.
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Ideally, yes.
No more satellites? No more space missions?
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For what it's worth, I agree with you 100%. I'd love to see Musk fail in every one of his business endeavors, but if we're going to drop space garbage over the planet, an uninhabited island seems like a great place to do it. The fact that a small group of people has superstitious ideas about that small patch of land should be irrelevant.
Yeah, lemmy seems to love religion as long as it's not white or Catholic.
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No more satellites? No more space missions?
ruining earth does not justify the shit missions spacex does making our orbits more hostile to real science
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Destroying and damaging a religion's sacred holy areas is not a really violation of the religious rights. However telling Catholic priests they should tell on pedophiles now that that's violating religious rights.
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bbbut the historical site! They are dropping it over the Gulf of Mexico right now so why shouldn't we move the debris field? Is there really a bigger problem doing it here or is it because Hawaiians are just pissed off they will be the recipients now?
"let's just do some more colonialism! it will be fine"
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"let's just do some more colonialism! it will be fine"
You mean colonize Hawaii, a US state? How in the fuck do you even think this?
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No more satellites? No more space missions?
By spacex?
Yes. No more from them.
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ruining earth does not justify the shit missions spacex does making our orbits more hostile to real science
I'm unaware, AFAIK SpaceX is the leading launch provider in the world, taking the place of NASA. Is that a good thing? Probably not but if we're not going to fund it at a government level someone has to do it.
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For what it's worth, I agree with you 100%. I'd love to see Musk fail in every one of his business endeavors, but if we're going to drop space garbage over the planet, an uninhabited island seems like a great place to do it. The fact that a small group of people has superstitious ideas about that small patch of land should be irrelevant.
this attitude is the problem with religion though. it's not that the religion isn't guided by science, but the idea that one groups needs supercede another group's. the hawaiians are the native keepers of this ecosystem. for thousands of years they have been there maintaining it. now because another group wants it for something else we're just supposed to ignore them? fuck that. this is the same attitude that gave us the crusades, the rape of africa, the potato famine, and boarding schools for indigenous people in north america. it doesn't matter that those acts were done by people who claimed to have god on their side and you claim there is no god.
what matters is those acts were done by people claiming to be more advanced than the backwards people they were doing it to, which is exactly what you are advocating for here
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I think the Pelekais will want to file a countersuit against the U.S. Government in response to this, and try to force an impeachment vote in the House of Representations against Donald Trump.
