US Government Gives Elon Musk Permission to Detonate Rockets Over a Sacred Hawaian Island
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Are they Americans or not? I know that's a loaded question but we have to dump space trash somewhere if we are going to continue launching. We're not allowed to dump the trash in international waters AFAIK so we have to pick somewhere in our borders.
Gulf of Mexico or The Pacific. Pick one.
you already dismissed this in another thread, but seriously, we don't need spacex poluting our oceans and orbits like this. just because nasa isn't doing launches isn't reason to give a corporation carte blanche to do whatever in the name of "progress" while stymying real science. we could do, as a planet, with fewer launches than are being done and taking a longer view of science and research than quarterly profits.
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you already dismissed this in another thread, but seriously, we don't need spacex poluting our oceans and orbits like this. just because nasa isn't doing launches isn't reason to give a corporation carte blanche to do whatever in the name of "progress" while stymying real science. we could do, as a planet, with fewer launches than are being done and taking a longer view of science and research than quarterly profits.
WTF. I want NASA back, I hate SpaceX. They suck. So what do we do?
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Their future e-waste is now part of the view, just gotta accept it and hope the billboards up there aren't developed in our lifetime.
Not much remains of them upon reentry. At least nothing that can be called e-waste.
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a remote and uninhabited island located 400 miles from Honolulu
Mokumanamana sits at the boundary between "'pō,' the darkness, and 'au,' the light." When a Native Hawaiian dies, their soul travels up near Mokumanamana, and after meeting their ancestors there, they potentially get to advance into the great beyond with them in the dark waters west of the island.
okey-doke.
So, uninhabited (at this point means not viable for habitation) and it's a religious site that probably no one goes on a pilgrimage to? Fuckit.
edit: so the people using the downvote button as a disagree button:
What's the problem? If we are going to do this space shit we need places to drop the litter, what's wrong with this place? Is it just because it's Musk and Trump? I'm no fan of either but wouldn't it be better to have this SpaceX trash out in the Pacific instead of off the coast of South Texas where millions of US and Mexican citizens live?
Uninhabited islands are not uninhabitable and the only value of a place is not whether people can live on it. The northwestern Hawaiian islands are a marine sanctuary valued even though barely anyone goes there. This argument is like saying the deep Everglades are unexploited, so we might as well dump our trash there.
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A few days ago I was watching stars with a friend and every few minutes we would see satellite after satellite. Yeah that was distracting.
Yeah right?? It's so crazy how many satellites there are nowadays.
We used to play with my friends when we were younger to spot them. Now it's harder not to see one.
And the sad part is it's going to get much worse probably.
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Yeah, lemmy seems to love religion as long as it's not white or Catholic.
I suspect people would also be upset if Dumbo McNazi got a government contract to destroy a 500 year old cathedral to put up a nazi truck factory.
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He's a defiler.
That’s why you can’t let Zerg get to late game. Guessing he’s going defiler/hydra/lurker? Sounds like we need firebats so we can still do damage under dark swarm. He might counter with scourge/guardians so watch for a greater spire for a good attack timing.
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The guy carrying tanks of napalm smoking a cigarette always gets to me
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militant atheism
WTF? The guy is a dick for sure but leave atheists out of it. This term is just the go-to term for extremist religious asshats
it’s a religious site … fuckit
i believe this is what they’re referring to. it’s specifically an atheist take; it’s just not a very nice one
i generally have disdain for religious crap, but do agree that simply writing people beliefs off as open for dumping waste on is probably not in the spirit of live and let live
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WTF. I want NASA back, I hate SpaceX. They suck. So what do we do?
start getting critical. have conversations with our neighbors to shift what's possible. organize ourselves in the streets because the streets is where we win. refuse to accept that this is just the way things must be
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Not much remains of them upon reentry. At least nothing that can be called e-waste.
they just aerosolize creating even faster global warming
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A few days ago I was watching stars with a friend and every few minutes we would see satellite after satellite. Yeah that was distracting.
Same here, I would rarely see a satellite and mostly only during dusk. Two nights ago I was participating in a star gazing activity as par of a birthday party and it's busy up there now
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A few days ago I was watching stars with a friend and every few minutes we would see satellite after satellite. Yeah that was distracting.
That's mostly musk too: https://phys.org/news/2025-07-satellite-constellations-bright-threaten-astronomy.html
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they just aerosolize creating even faster global warming
Wouldn't high-altitude metallic aerosols do the opposite?
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The religious significance of an uninhabited island seems like a nothingburger compared to this:
Along with allowing Musk to rain schrapnel down near Mokumanamana, the FAA also granted SpaceX the ability to do so around Hawaii's eight main islands — which are populated with American citizens
lol why did they emphasize that they are American citizens? So if these were non-Americans it would be fine I guess.
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That's no surprise, the only thing Trump considers sacred is Trump.
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Wouldn't high-altitude metallic aerosols do the opposite?
unfortunately no. per my understanding the problem with starlink satellites burning up on re-entry are two fold:
- the aerosolized aluminum retains heat, not reflects it
- the aerosolized aluminum reacts with ozone, damaging a critical protective layer against the greenhouse effect
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unfortunately no. per my understanding the problem with starlink satellites burning up on re-entry are two fold:
- the aerosolized aluminum retains heat, not reflects it
- the aerosolized aluminum reacts with ozone, damaging a critical protective layer against the greenhouse effect
Dang, that sucks XD
Should have made their frames with zinc alloy instead!
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lol why did they emphasize that they are American citizens? So if these were non-Americans it would be fine I guess.
It’s not about Americans, it’s about humans. I’m just quoting the article directly.
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lol why did they emphasize that they are American citizens? So if these were non-Americans it would be fine I guess.
You joke, but this is how a lot of people actually think. It's fucking gross.
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Nobody feels like having a debate about your militant atheism, hence downvotes without comments. Please don't see this as an invitation for said debate either. I don't care. You're either being intentionally edgy or willfully ignorant, neither of which are the base for a fruitful conversation.
I don’t understand where atheism came into this discussion. Is that just your pet issue you bring up all the time?
